Consciousness
Re: Consciousness
there are plants that react to human life, that suggests they have some type of consciousness, it seems like an endlessly debatable thing though.
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Re: Consciousness
Ok, you need more than just a nervous system, which plants don't even have.
Does this dog have consciousness? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FEhVGrf0yI
Does this dog have consciousness? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FEhVGrf0yI
Re: Consciousness
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this question is going to get more and more important over the coming decades as the singularity approaches
this question is going to get more and more important over the coming decades as the singularity approaches
Re: Consciousness
I have to say I think that the singularity the AI people talk about is so remote it may not happen before we bomb the planet back to the dark ages.
It seems to be based on what we think the computational power of the human brain is (while disregarding any quantum computational power it might have) , when a computer(s) reach that level it'll suddenly go 'Hello Dave'. IMO a huge underestimation of what consciousness is.
I think it's a symptom of the over confidence of modern science and it's our age looking to the future and seeing moon bases and jet packs just like we did thirty - forty years ago.
It's also a symptom (IMO) of the fear of death, as the next step would be uploading your consciousness to a capable computer as a way to live forever. Providing you could experience embodiment inside the ultimate Facebook profile (Which I sincerely doubt).
It would be cool if I (and many others more informed then me) was wrong, I love Sci-Fi (So sad about Ian M Banks)
It seems to be based on what we think the computational power of the human brain is (while disregarding any quantum computational power it might have) , when a computer(s) reach that level it'll suddenly go 'Hello Dave'. IMO a huge underestimation of what consciousness is.
I think it's a symptom of the over confidence of modern science and it's our age looking to the future and seeing moon bases and jet packs just like we did thirty - forty years ago.
It's also a symptom (IMO) of the fear of death, as the next step would be uploading your consciousness to a capable computer as a way to live forever. Providing you could experience embodiment inside the ultimate Facebook profile (Which I sincerely doubt).
It would be cool if I (and many others more informed then me) was wrong, I love Sci-Fi (So sad about Ian M Banks)
Re: Consciousness
To the Op, many regard consciousness as an undivided continuum, like space, without any real identity. A lot of theoretical conclusions can be drawn from that.
Re: Consciousness
Is consciousness a necessary prerequisite of intelligence? Maybe a machine can be intelligent without having to be conscious.
do we even know what we mean by intelligence?
do we even know what we mean by intelligence?
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Re: Consciousness
I don't think so, you could have a set of adaptable problem solving routines that could be added to as new situations arose that probably would be just as effective as consciousness without having the need to develop a "something" like self awareness.crumhorn wrote:Is consciousness a necessary prerequisite of intelligence? Maybe a machine can be intelligent without having to be conscious.
do we even know what we mean by intelligence?
So if all of life could be replicated by something without consciousness why, if the Dawkins style epiphenomenom theory is to be believed, did it arise in evolution? Seems to lack economy.
Re: Consciousness
do we even know what it is to know?crumhorn wrote:do we even know what we mean by intelligence?
Re: Consciousness
I was coming to that question later.H20nly wrote:do we even know what it is to know?crumhorn wrote:do we even know what we mean by intelligence?
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Re: Consciousness
I like where this conversation is going so far. It makes me so curious because we really are limited by our own perspective and what we "know".
Re: Consciousness
Precisely. For example, rakim87 believes he should be allowed to sit in the front of the bus.rap masta rj wrote:I like where this conversation is going so far. It makes me so curious because we really are limited by our own perspective and what we "know".
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...? do me a favor and forget i exist. that would be lovely. you're not even making sense at this point.d.reamonn wrote:Precisely. For example, rakim87 believes he should be allowed to sit in the front of the bus.rap masta rj wrote:I like where this conversation is going so far. It makes me so curious because we really are limited by our own perspective and what we "know".
Re: Consciousness
Forgive me, I was merely giving a perfectly apropos (albeit unscientific) example of a typical, common belief that could potentially limit the scope of our imagination, and in particular in regards to Little-Shop-Of-Horrors-esque scenarios, in which plants can talk and Bill Murray.rakim87 wrote:...? do me a favor and forget i exist. that would be lovely. you're not even making sense at this point.d.reamonn wrote:Precisely. For example, rakim87 believes he should be allowed to sit in the front of the bus.rap masta rj wrote:I like where this conversation is going so far. It makes me so curious because we really are limited by our own perspective and what we "know".
https://soundcloud.com/maybe-logic
"I wanted to not like your [music], but it's actually pretty awesome. Banana hammock."
- eddiex
"I wanted to not like your [music], but it's actually pretty awesome. Banana hammock."
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Re: Consciousness
d.reamon - i don't know where you get off... you've got a lot of nerve posting this type of incessant misinformed and completely inaccurate information... it was Rick Moranis, not Bill Murry.
Re: Consciousness
"Bill Murray is not in LSoH" - H2OnlyH20nly wrote:d.reamon - i don't know where you get off... you've got a lot of nerve posting this type of incessant misinformed and completely inaccurate information... it was Rick Moranis, not Bill Murry.
"Bill Murray is in LSoH" - d.reamonn
"Banana hammock" - eddiex
"Bill Murray is in LSoH" - Wikipedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_S ... #section_2)
https://soundcloud.com/maybe-logic
"I wanted to not like your [music], but it's actually pretty awesome. Banana hammock."
- eddiex
"I wanted to not like your [music], but it's actually pretty awesome. Banana hammock."
- eddiex