So back on topic then...Theo Void wrote:This wasn't a Push vs. Maschine thread. I even said that in the original post. This is a, how are you liking Push? Thread.
I am liking it a lot. A real lot.
So back on topic then...Theo Void wrote:This wasn't a Push vs. Maschine thread. I even said that in the original post. This is a, how are you liking Push? Thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoningCitizen wrote:Not trying to stir things up, but those that sing Push's praises the strongest, seem to be consistently those who have not experienced the Maschine workflow.
Just an observation, thats all.
(for what its worth, as a DAW, Maschine is a joke - but for getting ideas down quick in a hands-on manner, I think its unparalleled)
lol, but that post wasn't the beginning.irrelevance wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoningCitizen wrote:Not trying to stir things up, but those that sing Push's praises the strongest, seem to be consistently those who have not experienced the Maschine workflow.
Just an observation, thats all.
(for what its worth, as a DAW, Maschine is a joke - but for getting ideas down quick in a hands-on manner, I think its unparalleled)
I think I'll enjoy it when I get it. As I said, Live is my main #1 music making environment so I think I'd appreciate everything it has to offer especially with the PXT scripts. My launchpad is one of my favorite pieces of gear (with LPC of course) and it's like a Push Jr.panten wrote:Theo Void, I have a feeling that if you bought a Push you will be disappointed. You seem pretty sold on the Maschine workflow and it has liberated you already. I reckon it would have been the same for me if I hadn't managed to nab a Push in the 1st round so I see your dilemma.
You dismissed one of Push' most important workflow features, that is, jamming across 64 pads in scales or chromatically. This bewilders me as I never liked trying to play anything other than drums/percussion/glitches with the 4x4 grid. Always felt claustrophobic.
So with this down what is left?
Recording automation by simply holding an encoder for one. I really appreciate this idea; it works really well for my purposes and I particularly like that I don't need to constantly toggle on/off a button to record over previous automation i.e just let go of an encoder and it stops recording.
Quick question. How does Maschine as a vst plugin handle automation of it's parameters? I presume you can't do step automation this way and get your clips into the arrangement view. It's a one way street right?
So for me having these automation parameters right there; still tweakable in the Live environment is a huge plus.
Not every parameter of every Live instrument is mapped to Push, but.. For the ones that are I've been tweaking more in real-time while playing different riffs and coming up with more unique sounds than I ever have then recording automated variations has totally opened up Live for me. It all just feels way more immediate to me and I'm getting stuff to the arrangement view so much faster than I ever have.
What else is there?
Playable drums, step sequencing and bar loop selection at the same time.. I love it. For all the stuff that is missing from Push I actually appreciate the simplicity and immediacy of the default workflows. After spending time in PXT-Live for the more complex controls it offers (which by the way is very appreciated) going back to default is like coming up for air [then back down for those pearly goodies]
With these things + dedicated max4live Push devices and custom Scripts like PXT-Live it's a pretty powerful beast, and it's still in its infancy.
One final word from me. With all the deeper editing available from PXT it's become clear that Maschine will have its hands full if they are expanding it to have more DAW features. For it to compete with the bigger boys it's going to become even more modifier heavy and that will take away from its strength.
*edit* One thing I forgot to mention that I love from PXT-Live. Enter DrumRack mode and you now have 64 Pads to play across at the same time. :O
Ya, I too am a guitarist, song-writer w/ a little bit of keyboard skills. I figure the GAS is gonna take over. If it were available I'd probably go buy it right now!!Buleriachk wrote:I am very much with Theo Void; I too have a Maschine Mk2, an APC40, a Launchpad, and have used Live 9 as my goto DAW ever since it came out (with brief forays into Fruity Loops and Sonar).
And I, too, have been looking at Push (which I don't think is quite ready for prime time yet for my applications)
I'm a guitarist, with some keyboard chops; most keyboard controllers have the ability to transpose both octaves and steps, and one can always use the pitch control in Live; and in Maschine, it is very easy to set the root note, etc..... so that's not much of an issue for me....
My primary use for Maschine is for loops for backing tracks in complex rhythm structures, and it is HUGE for that. Live 9 is no slouch, mind you, and will only get better, but for now I am absolutely delighted with Maschine - I'm not convinced that the push button approach for melody is better than a conventional keyboard, especially since both Ableton and Maschine allow its use.
That said, IMO and experience, the samples/sounds that come with Maschine are far, far superior to those of Live 9. There are even Oriental percussion kits, with full loops available. I've ported some of these into Live, but still find it much more convenient to stick to Maschine in Live as a VST.... The combination of the two is unbeatable (I didn't need the upgrade from 8 to 9, but Live has been a good ol' hoss, and has to be supported). That said, before Maschine, Ableton's drum racks were the best of all available worlds by far....
With the APC40 and Launchpad immediately available to me, it is hard to see how an additional Push would be much of an improvement, especially with the tools available in Live 9, and especially at the current price.
But for those without Maschine Mk2, the Apc40 and Launchpad, I can see where Push would be a difficult choice..... At my level of knowledge, I am happy with my current controllers, but I am fighting GAS for Push, and like Theo Void, I may not win.....
I approve this message.Theo Void wrote:Long story short, the Maschine is an amazing, well thought out, well implemented and finished piece of kit. It has changed my work-flow for the better in too many ways to mention. A truly amazing instrument. And, that's all I'll say about it.
Theo Void wrote:This wasn't a Push vs. Maschine thread. I even said that in the original post. This is a, how are you liking Push? Thread.
Because. That's why.deva wrote:Theo Void wrote:This wasn't a Push vs. Maschine thread. I even said that in the original post. This is a, how are you liking Push? Thread.
Then why do you keep bringing up Maschine?
Love it! Push the Maschine through the illuminated dream!realtrance wrote:Push is young and will grow. Maschine was too, once upon a time.
Give them a chance and become like them; you'll maybe discover something new.
And it's not broken if it works, that's the circuit bender's motto, remember that. And it always works if it's doing something, especially if that something breaks and frustrates your expectations. That's a good thing.