small test - Live 5 V SX1 - CPU / Plugins

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Post by DJRetard » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:54 am

This mini test results come as no suprise to me. But what was interesting is its done on sx1. SX2 and 3 are more cpu effiecient than sx1 so the results would be even greater. I have SX2 and I can get a seriously larger session in there than Live.

Im maxing out at around 15 tracks on a P4 3ghz. Nah, no ones going to tell me thats good performance.

whatever way we look at it Live is a cpu hog. I just hope its not always going to be like this.


Should I switch hyperthreading off?

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Post by DJRetard » Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:42 pm

Ech!!

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Post by nebulae » Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:54 pm

DJRetard wrote:This mini test results come as no suprise to me. But what was interesting is its done on sx1. SX2 and 3 are more cpu effiecient than sx1 so the results would be even greater. I have SX2 and I can get a seriously larger session in there than Live.

Im maxing out at around 15 tracks on a P4 3ghz. Nah, no ones going to tell me thats good performance.

whatever way we look at it Live is a cpu hog. I just hope its not always going to be like this.


Should I switch hyperthreading off?
Wow, this is bizarre. I routinely run projects of 25-50 simultaneous 24-bit stereo tracks with effects on Live. I get so amazed when I see people using Live with modern computers with limitations of non-DAW multi-tracks of 10 years ago.

And I'm using a Sager notebook with P4 3.2, two 7200rpm hard drives. I have absolutely no limitations when compared to my desktop DAW of similar specs. And although Live is more resource hungry, it's certainly not limited to only 15 tracks.

Sorry, not questioning your experience with Live, just letting you know that mine is MUCH better.

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Post by ct43 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:59 pm

DJRetard wrote:
Should I switch hyperthreading off?
ive got it turned off on mine... and I think Live runs better with it off (could be wrong though)

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Post by nebulae » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:27 pm

I have seen absolutely no difference in Live with Hyperthreading turned on or off. Therefore, I have opted to leave it on because at least the system will run a little faster with it turned on.

Just for reference, if you look at sites like TomsHardware.com and other benchmarking sites, things like dual core and hyperthreading are nice and do give some performance gains. But at the end of the day, dual cores are not going to give you TWICE the raw horsepower, and hyperthreading is really only about 5-10% more CPU power with applications designed to take advantage of it.

And for that matter, a 3ghz CPU doesn't necessarily mean 50% more plugins than a 2ghz CPU. Yes, more is better, but as I said before, I don't get so caught up on if I can run 5 native reverbs vs. 2 convolution verbs, etc. I focus on getting work done, getting the sound I need, and bouncing down when I run out of power. Call me old skool. :)

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Post by FaX-01 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:35 pm

Why is hyperthreading disabled when Live auto assigns CPU affinity on startup anyway.
I never disable HT .
If I'm in rewire mode with either P5 or Reason3 I just set the CPU affinity too CPU1 of the rewire app as Live defaults too CPU0 and it all works a treat. :)
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Post by nebulae » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:38 pm

Because Live is not multithreading optimized, it automatically loads up assigned to one of the virtual CPUs. Therefore, leaving hyperthreading ON only benefits the apps the do use it, like XP and SX, etc. It won't hurt Live to leave it ON.

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Post by ct43 » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:51 pm

oh ok, thanks for that... my PC came from Carrillon all set up for me, so ive never touched the settings as its worked non stop since I got it..

+ Im on SX1 and that doesnt support HT so I dont think I should bother turning it on. But thanks for the info anyway..

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