Global groove needs to come back for LIVE beat making!

[Ernst]

If we keep bumping this thread every 4 years maybe something WILL happen...

Bump. Having to add groove to every single new track is tedious.

[adh82]

We need global groove!!!!! +1 to get it back!!!!

[yur2die4]

Default groove sounds like a wonderful option.

I wonder if it'd be in preferences for creating New clips? And where it'd draw its options from?

Or if it'd be a selectable option in each set in the groove pool / amount section, where you wouldn't necessarily need to access Preferences, and it'd feel more like a per set option instead as opposed to a general all around option.

[djadonis206]

Agreed. Push has kind of a global groove for newly recorded clips...not the global groove as before, but you don't have to manually get a groove clip and assign it to a clip.

[yur2die4]

The downside of the Push implementation, if I'm not mistaken, is that it commits immediately after you adjust?

[Ernst]

Agreed. Push has kind of a global groove for newly recorded clips...not the global groove as before, but you don't have to manually get a groove clip and assign it to a clip.

If there was an easy way to get to the "swing" feature of Push with (or without) the APC40 this would be pretty close to what we had in Live 7.

[Idonotlikebroccoli]

Default groove sounds like a wonderful option.

I wonder if it'd be in preferences for creating New clips? And where it'd draw its options from?

Or if it'd be a selectable option in each set in the groove pool / amount section, where you wouldn't necessarily need to access Preferences, and it'd feel more like a per set option instead as opposed to a general all around option.

I like the second option! The new grooves are cool, and having a global groove that's automatically applied to new tracks/clips would be exactly what I'm looking for.

There -is- a workaround currently. You -could- create an estimated number of tracks, duplicate empty clips, select all clips, and apply the groove. I always start out with an empty project though, so that's not for me.

I almost installed Live 7 because of the missing global groove, but not having octave transpose in the piano roll (shift+up/down) is even more annoying.

[aubford]

Dear Ableton,
A "default groove" option is a simple and obvious necessity for any DAW that claims to be usable "LIVE". Not giving us this feature is ridiculous and yet another thing that keeps this software from being a real live performance instrument and instead just a complex DJ software with a DAW in it. Hopefully Bitwig will light a fire under your asses so you start listening to us, I'm going to start exploring their stuff right now actually.

[oddstep]

Get a grip. Adjust your performance technique to meet what Live can do. I used to perform live with an atari st, a portable tv and a 4track portastudio. Stop blaming the tools.

[Idonotlikebroccoli]

5 years later, and I still miss it every time I open up Live. Great music still gets made of course, but I still don't understand why default groove was ever removed - it could have coexisted perfectly with the new groove system.

[Schmidi]

Live is less and less "live" with each new version I'm afraid. It has already become an everything for everyone DAW...

[eyeknow]

Get a grip. Adjust your performance technique to meet what Live can do. I used to perform live with an atari st, a portable tv and a 4track portastudio. Stop blaming the tools.

Say wha????????

[eyeknow]

5 years later, and I still miss it every time I open up Live. Great music still gets made of course, but I still don't understand why default groove was ever removed - it could have coexisted perfectly with the new groove system.

I got back into live because of the groove pool but I admit, this is a function that I'd like to have. Seems bizarre that it was just removed.

If you could edit multiple clips drag/drop or some kinda "select all" I can see it but. But considering the minor hassle it is to groove quantize more than one clip it's kinda a pita.

[oddstep]

Yeah, it would be good if there was a default groove, like there is a default warping method. Then the global groove would work like it did pre 8. The absence of a global groove default is hardly stopping Live from being a solid tool for live performance though.

[Scaper7]

a big phat +1 for default groove

I've always programmed with quantize and swing% to achieve the groove I want. Never been interested in groove maps.

However, having taken a closer inspection of the actual factory groove maps supplied with Live9 i've notice a lot of them are very inconsistent. For example among the MPC maps (and others) they don't place the first beat accurately on the '1' ... each map has a varying degree of inaccuracy. Hard to understand how this is deemed a better system.

There is a work around to get the same kind of global groove going as with Live7. Just load up Swing 16-99 from the groove library/swing folder. assign all clips to it, and dial in swing to suit from 'global groove amount'.