Note off issue with hardware instruments
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Note off issue with hardware instruments
The following problem in Ableton live drives me mad:
Midi Notes get stuck when playing back (only when using 2 or more previously recorded midi tracks). Each instrument has it's own Midi I/O channel on the Motu Midi Timepieces i have. Also all midi tracks in Live are only connected to their corresponding inputs (not all Midi Ins). The notes do not get stuck when playing the midi clips in solo mode.
I am using external instruments (E-mu E II+, Emax SE, Dynacord ADD-one, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R) and my Midi interface is a Motu Timepiece AV USB. Ableton is 64bit.
Most of the time i use the SP-12 as master and sync Ableton to it.
Only happens in Ableton Live 9 (Reaper & Cubase work fine) but i'd like to make the switch to Ableton... :/
Any ideas?
Midi Notes get stuck when playing back (only when using 2 or more previously recorded midi tracks). Each instrument has it's own Midi I/O channel on the Motu Midi Timepieces i have. Also all midi tracks in Live are only connected to their corresponding inputs (not all Midi Ins). The notes do not get stuck when playing the midi clips in solo mode.
I am using external instruments (E-mu E II+, Emax SE, Dynacord ADD-one, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R) and my Midi interface is a Motu Timepiece AV USB. Ableton is 64bit.
Most of the time i use the SP-12 as master and sync Ableton to it.
Only happens in Ableton Live 9 (Reaper & Cubase work fine) but i'd like to make the switch to Ableton... :/
Any ideas?
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
Have you tried shortening the midi notes so they're just barely finishing before the end of the clip or loop? If the midi notes extend beyond the looping region they won't be sending a note off signal.
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
Thanks for the reply. Anyways, the notes are all within the clip...
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
And it's getting worse
Now i get stuck notes when only playing one clip, notes that do not even exist...
Now i get stuck notes when only playing one clip, notes that do not even exist...
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
Can you patch in a MIDI monitor program and verify the actual MIDI messages being sent by Live and then again out of your interface? Until you're sure where the note offs are being dropped you're pissing in the wind.
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
Cheers for the hint, I'll do that and report back!doghouse wrote:Can you patch in a MIDI monitor program and verify the actual MIDI messages being sent by Live and then again out of your interface? Until you're sure where the note offs are being dropped you're pissing in the wind.
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
What I can confirm by now is that this only happens with Ableton Live. Tested with Reaper and several midi tracks, all fine. A single clip will play fine, the problem starts, when launching another clip. The problem will occur with either SP-12 or Ableton as master. I tried reinstalling Ableton, reinstalling the Moto drivers, deactivating my RME Multifaces, no change :/
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
What does the MIDI monitor say?
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
I don't have internet in the studio, so i still need to download and install that. As it only occurs with Ableton and only from when i start the second clip, i think it is obvious that this is caused by Ableton though.
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
I've had this problem with the motif rack as well (play mid clip onto to motif, through midi out)
Live 10.1.30
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
and how did you solve it?manasseh wrote:I've had this problem with the motif rack as well (play mid clip onto to motif, through midi out)
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
I didn't. I filed a bug report at the time, during live 9 beta phase, in getsatisfaction forum .
I was using a lended motif rack for a live project and remember encountering that problem (march 2012), fortunatly never needed it anymore.
I was using a lended motif rack for a live project and remember encountering that problem (march 2012), fortunatly never needed it anymore.
Live 10.1.30
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
Ok so, apparently Midiox shows nothing. However i did a fresh install on a spare disk. Win 7, Ableton, Midi drivers, nothing else. The problem persists. So i can definitely say it is either Ableton or the MOTU driver. As it works with Reaper, i am still suggesting it's a problem with Ableton...
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
So you can see the note off messages in MIDI-OX?Lunatic_77 wrote:Ok so, apparently Midiox shows nothing.
Or did you mean you do not see the note offs?
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Re: Note off issue with hardware instruments
there is nothing shown in Midi Ox if Ableton is playing... :/ I tried with a fresh system (new HDD) with only RME / Motu Drivers & Ableton installed, still the same.
E-mu E II, Emax, SP-12 / Esi 32, Dynacord ADD-one + ADD-drive, Moog SP, Roland Juno 106, OB Matrix 6R, Simmons Clap Trap, OTO, Electro Harmonix Vocoder
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB
Asus P6T WS, Intel 930 2.8GHz, 12 GB RAM, 2x RME MF II, Frontier Alphatrack, MOTU TP, TPAV USB