Global Tuning & Scales
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Global Tuning & Scales
Not sure if this has been requested, but a Global Tuning which would allow A at 432Hz instead on 440Hz, along with different tempered scales such as the option to choose between Pythagorean and Equal Tempered... I realize that a M4L patch can achieve some of this, but it would be a better implementation in Global Parameters, such as how Logic does it.
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This is what I am also looking for.
Its so hard to play with other musicians which tune their instruments NOT to 440Hz
Its so hard to play with other musicians which tune their instruments NOT to 440Hz
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Re: Global Tuning & Scales
Interesting article about the 432Hz Tuning:
http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... -to-432hz/
http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... -to-432hz/
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Thats how it should looks like in Live either, there is even Hermode Tuning (HMT) which we all loved so much from the Access Virus:
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Exactly. That is the specific reason I want 432Hz tuning. It is mathematically more correct & is more in harmony with nature & such (providing one believes in the theory, although one would have to be insane to argue with Tesla) ... I personally find it more soothing.
How I wish those screenshots were a real thing in Live right now. Ableton is hands down the most creative program & this feature would open up so many more doors. It's implemented very well in Logic, but I just don't want to go back to Logic (Apple has dropped the ball with Logic I think)...
In the meantime, maybe I can try to learn enough M4L to write such a patch, but it's such a complex program for me to grasp in many ways. But it might be the best option for now...
How I wish those screenshots were a real thing in Live right now. Ableton is hands down the most creative program & this feature would open up so many more doors. It's implemented very well in Logic, but I just don't want to go back to Logic (Apple has dropped the ball with Logic I think)...
In the meantime, maybe I can try to learn enough M4L to write such a patch, but it's such a complex program for me to grasp in many ways. But it might be the best option for now...
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See also here:
"Pure tuning for that extra punch": Cubase 7 will be featured with Hermode Tuning, available since Dec 5. 2012.
(CUBASE 7 - THE PRODUCER'S CHOICE)
http://www.hermode.com/index_en.html
"Pure tuning for that extra punch": Cubase 7 will be featured with Hermode Tuning, available since Dec 5. 2012.
(CUBASE 7 - THE PRODUCER'S CHOICE)
http://www.hermode.com/index_en.html
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Re: Global Tuning & Scales
+1.
I'd love to see this in Live.
I'd love to see this in Live.
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I'm afraid the issue is not on host site, it's VST side. VST plugins receive midi information and only then translate it to frequency internally.
So unfortunatelly Live or any other host has nothing to do with it, unless you use only built-in instruments... which you do not.
So unfortunatelly Live or any other host has nothing to do with it, unless you use only built-in instruments... which you do not.
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Logic is a host and comes with this feature even for VSTsWarmonger wrote:I'm afraid the issue is not on host site, it's VST side. VST plugins receive midi information and only then translate it to frequency internally.
So unfortunatelly Live or any other host has nothing to do with it, unless you use only built-in instruments... which you do not.
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A host may not be able to set (e.g.) "A4 = 432Hz" for all VSTs, but it should be able to set "A4 = -32 cents" for all VSTs to achieve the same result.Warmonger wrote:I'm afraid the issue is not on host site, it's VST side. VST plugins receive midi information and only then translate it to frequency internally.
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So unfortunatelly Live or any other host has nothing to do with it, unless you use only built-in instruments... which you do not.
AL could have an improved version of the MIDI Pitch effect capable of handling cents, combine it with the transpose mechanism that is already used for audio clips, connect this unit to every track by default, and put its interface somewhere in the top bar.
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In logic you can even tune each single key !Jorge3 wrote:A host may not be able to set (e.g.) "A4 = 432Hz" for all VSTs, but it should be able to set "A4 = -32 cents" for all VSTs to achieve the same result.Warmonger wrote:I'm afraid the issue is not on host site, it's VST side. VST plugins receive midi information and only then translate it to frequency internally.
[...]
So unfortunatelly Live or any other host has nothing to do with it, unless you use only built-in instruments... which you do not.
AL could have an improved version of the MIDI Pitch effect capable of handling cents, combine it with the transpose mechanism that is already used for audio clips, connect this unit to every track by default, and put its interface somewhere in the top bar.
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I would also be interested in this micro-tuning feature being implemented in Live.
How complex would it be to engineer though?
Judging by the number of people on this thread it doesn't seem like demand will reach critical mass anytime soon...
Has anyone come across a new viable alternative, maybe a home made M4L device?
How complex would it be to engineer though?
Judging by the number of people on this thread it doesn't seem like demand will reach critical mass anytime soon...
Has anyone come across a new viable alternative, maybe a home made M4L device?
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Me too. It's inexcusable to have both tuning and temperament hard-coded in an $800 music software package. It's a disqualifying defect for anybody interested in making ancient, experimental, or simply non-standard music. Make this happen!
I could actually see me going to a competitor over this. And trust me this is going to be a more and more popular feature in the coming years. Somebody said Logic has this nailed?
I could actually see me going to a competitor over this. And trust me this is going to be a more and more popular feature in the coming years. Somebody said Logic has this nailed?
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Placebo?Division Monarchy wrote:Exactly. That is the specific reason I want 432Hz tuning. It is mathematically more correct & is more in harmony with nature & such (providing one believes in the theory, although one would have to be insane to argue with Tesla) ... I personally find it more soothing.
Feed your instrument tracks a -10 to -40 cent PB offset looking at spectrum and tuner until you hit desired result. Duplicate on all tracks then you have 432 calibration.