quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

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locojohn
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quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by locojohn » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:09 am

Is it possible to adjust start playing position for all clips in a live set? I was unable to figure that out. Perhaps, there's a Max for Live device that can do it?

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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by locojohn » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:15 pm

Thanks for the response. Could you please be more specific e.g. provide more info how to do it?
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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by TomViolenz » Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:43 pm

have you used clyphx before?

If yes then that should be pretty straight forward. Use the "clip loop start x" action and define the clips as

clip1 loop start x; clip2 loop start x ...and so on
and the tracks to work on as

a-b/clip1 loop start x; a-b/clip2 loop start x; ....

a is the first track to work on and b is the last.
X is the position to put the start marker at.

There is no all clips version of it, so you have to make action lists that cover the whole range. But that is mostly copy/past with minimal edits so really not that much work.
Once it's done you can trigger the whole action list together.

If you have lots of clips it might slow down Live a bit (only the GUI) while you execute the action.

This works for the loop start if loop is turned on and for the clip start when loop is turned off in the clip.

If you haven't used clyphx I suggest you download the manual and familarize yourself with it. It's a pretty good manual.

Me explaining it would be beyond the scope of a post IMO

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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by locojohn » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:54 pm

TomViolenz wrote:have you used clyphx before?

If yes then that should be pretty straight forward. Use the "clip loop start x" action and define the clips as

clip1 loop start x; clip2 loop start x ...and so on
and the tracks to work on as

a-b/clip1 loop start x; a-b/clip2 loop start x; ....

a is the first track to work on and b is the last.
X is the position to put the start marker at.
Yes, I do have experience with ClyphX. I assume I would have to rename all my clips (there are lots). The trouble is I must keep the old names. And also I was looking for something really quick. What you suggested, if I understand it right, is not really quick and automatic. I could as well just go clip by clip and adjust start position manually, but that's slightly more time consuming.

So there is no solution without renaming the clips?

Andrejs
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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by TomViolenz » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:13 pm

locojohn wrote:
TomViolenz wrote:have you used clyphx before?

If yes then that should be pretty straight forward. Use the "clip loop start x" action and define the clips as

clip1 loop start x; clip2 loop start x ...and so on
and the tracks to work on as

a-b/clip1 loop start x; a-b/clip2 loop start x; ....

a is the first track to work on and b is the last.
X is the position to put the start marker at.
Yes, I do have experience with ClyphX. I assume I would have to rename all my clips (there are lots). The trouble is I must keep the old names. And also I was looking for something really quick. What you suggested, if I understand it right, is not really quick and automatic. I could as well just go clip by clip and adjust start position manually, but that's slightly more time consuming.

So there is no solution without renaming the clips?

Andrejs
no you don't need to rename the clips.

clip1 is the clip on the first scene, clip2 is the clip on the second scene and so on.

and which tracks you operate on is specified by the x/

so lets say you have 8 scenes and 16 tracks and you want to put the start on the first beat of all clips: your action list would look like this (in an x-clip):
[] 1-16/clip1 loop start 1; 1-16/clip2 loop start 1; 1-16/clip3 loop start 1; 1-16/clip4 loop start 1; 1-16/clip5 loop start 1; 1-16/clip6 loop start 1; 1-16/clip7 loop start 1; 1-16/clip8 loop start 1

(just make a new clip, hit rename, copy/paste the text above, and trigger the clip, it should work - you have just set the start of 128 clips)
The only thing that is a bit inconvenient is that you can not specify the scenes by a range too. like so:
[] 1-16/clip1-8 loop start 1

Otherwise it's very simple

Make a few of these clips with different start points or by using the action for different loop length and this becomes a very useful live tool 8)


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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by S4racen » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:52 am

Yeah you could do it in maxforlive....

You could either set the start point to absolute point in beats, or choose to read the original start point and shift it by an amount...

Don't know a device out there, but it could be built using the building blocks that come with M4L...

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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by TomViolenz » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:21 am

S4racen wrote:Yeah you could do it in maxforlive....

You could either set the start point to absolute point in beats, or choose to read the original start point and shift it by an amount...

Don't know a device out there, but it could be built using the building blocks that come with M4L...

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But why would you want to when all of this is already done for you in clyphx?!

But I'm certain the OP is already doing this, he just forgot to acknowledge this here. :x

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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by S4racen » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:19 pm

locojohn wrote: Perhaps, there's a Max for Live device that can do it?
Original question answered.... All i'm saying, most people want a solution that's a press of a button, i understand your solution hit's the mark, but it also looks like a bit of work to do it all...

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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by TomViolenz » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:45 pm

S4racen wrote:
locojohn wrote: Perhaps, there's a Max for Live device that can do it?
Original question answered.... All i'm saying, most people want a solution that's a press of a button, i understand your solution hit's the mark, but it also looks like a bit of work to do it all...

Cheers
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sure, but then there is this:
S4racen wrote: Don't know a device out there, but it could be built using the building blocks that come with M4L...
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Re: quickly adjust start position for all clips in a set

Post by locojohn » Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:06 pm

Thanks for the replies, guys.

TomViolenz: I apologise for not being able to respond in a timely manner. Unfortunately, as you correctly stated:
The only thing that is a bit inconvenient is that you can not specify the scenes by a range too. like so:
[] 1-16/clip1-8 loop start 1
As S4racen correctly assumed I was indeed looking for a quicker solution. And actually I find that I need it quite often.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

Andrejs
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