triggering with odd time signatures.

[debz]

Hi Everyone. I really hope someone can help me with this. I can trigger scenes in 4/4 no problem but with odd time like 3/4 or 5/4 a beat seems to get added somewhere and throws the groove right out. I noticed that the time clock near the stop play record at the top of the screen delays a beat every so often and causes this out of sync thing. Can anyone PLEASE help solve this ??

[S4racen]

You are right, it does this!!

Cheers
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[debz]

You are right, it does this!!

Cheers
D

SO is there a fix for this ?? A have a few tunes in odd time and just want to trigger different scenes with a midi peddle.

[S4racen]

No there isn't, you could lodge it with ableton support...

Cheers
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[debz]

No there isn't, you could lodge it with ableton support...

Cheers
D

Yeah I will thanks. I'm really surprised about this. I was sure it would be a simple thing I was missing ..

[chapelier fou]

Huh that's weird, i have many song in 3/4, 6/4, 7/8 etc.. and never noticed anything wrong. As long as you're changing the global time signature, it works perfectly. At least with a 1 bar global quantification.

[debz]

Huh that's weird, i have many song in 3/4, 6/4, 7/8 etc.. and never noticed anything wrong. As long as you're changing the global time signature, it works perfectly. At least with a 1 bar global quantification.

OOO a light!! Yeah I do change the global time signature and I have chosen one bar. What happens is the clock counter goes around say in 5/4 like this 12345 12345 123445 12345 .. the extra beat or some weird delay thing totally puts everything out by one beat. I'm not sure why it does this? And only seems to do it for odd time. I'm running live 8.4.2 32bit on a macbook pro mavericks 10.9.5. Are there any other settings I should be checking? Strange ...

[ze2be]

Are there any other settings I should be checking? Strange ...

hmm... Maybe zoom in and check the clips loop positions? Dont remeber if it came with 8 or 9 but lately its become easy to missplace the markers because it doesnt snap to the grid unless you are exact on it. Especially annoying working with midi.

[debz]

Are there any other settings I should be checking? Strange ...

hmm... Maybe zoom in and check the clips loop positions? Dont remeber if it came with 8 or 9 but lately its become easy to missplace the markers because it doesnt snap to the grid unless you are exact on it. Especially annoying working with midi.

That's an interesting point. Thank you. I checked it out and the loop marker is right on it BUT.. it's right before the loop point that the counter clock stops for the extra beat on 4. So I moved the loop points around and it didn't make any difference. At some point the clock counter is 123445. What the hell is this little delay in the clock counter?? My loop points are 2 1 1 - 4 0 0.. I also make a really long clip and let it play without any loop points and watched the clock counter. After a few bars it goes out. The clock counter is not in time with the clip? How do I fix this I wonder?

[chapelier fou]

You do know that you can name a scene like "blahblahblah 126bpm 5/4" ?

[debz]

You do know that you can name a scene like "blahblahblah 126bpm 5/4" ?

Ok I can name a scene.. how does this help the counter clock delay?

[overflow1]

Maybe try this

Set live to 3/4 globally

now set up a loop in Arrangement that is still 4/4, (the loop brace is set to 4/4 by default)

with that loop on, the session clock gets sent back to one

1,2,3,1(Loop) so in effect you get 1,2,3,1, 1,2,3,1, .....etc.......

Is this your problem?

To fix this, set the Arrangement loop to 3/4......

[debz]

Maybe try this

Set live to 3/4 globally

now set up a loop in Arrangement that is still 4/4, (the loop brace is set to 4/4 by default)

with that loop on, the session clock gets sent back to one

1,2,3,1(Loop) so in effect you get 1,2,3,1, 1,2,3,1, .....etc.......

Is this your problem?

To fix this, set the Arrangement loop to 3/4......

Thanks.. but it doesn't seem to be consistent like that to 'trick' it into 5/4. My problem is that the counter clock isn't consistently counting 12345 along with the bpm. It will do so for a few bars then count 123445 like a pause on the 4. At this point everything is out of whack. I'm no longer worrying about a loop point or the foot controller because I can see the counter clock getting 'stuck' on 4 and it's always a 4.. wow what a pain. I appreciate your help though thanks.

[ze2be]

BTW its a bit bad news for me aswell because I was planning on doing an album like that sometime in the future. Maybe that time would be a good time try out Bitwig..

[debz]

BTW its a bit bad news for me aswell because I was planning on doing an album like that sometime in the future. Maybe that time would be a good time try out Bitwig..

I wrote to Ableton tech support so if I get an answer I will post here to for you ok.