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People with Windows 10 and a recent laptop, do you ...

Post by nc2010 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:57 pm

... have low-latency out-of-the-box with the laptop built-in soundcard?

Or is it still not enough and you still need to install Asio4All?

(If Win10 and/or a recent laptop allows to have low latency without Asio4All, I'd consider upgrading my system)

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Re: People with Windows 10 and a recent laptop, do you ...

Post by nc2010 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:09 pm

Anyone?

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Re: People with Windows 10 and a recent laptop, do you ...

Post by Tarekith » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:26 pm

I think it's really going to depend on what soundcard come built into the laptop. There's a lot of variability there, so not too sure how much your question is going to help you I'm afraid.

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Post by yur2die4 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:36 pm

I don't know what would have changed in the last few years where it'd be any different from before. Usually always requiring asio4all for built in cards at low latency.

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Post by nc2010 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:39 pm

I think it's really going to depend on what soundcard come built into the laptop. There's a lot of variability there, so not too sure how much your question is going to help you I'm afraid.
@Tarekith: it would help me a lot in fact :) I'm about to change my laptop, and if someone told me "I have a Dell model XYZ, and thanks to its audio chipset ABC-1234, the latency is now very good even without Asio4All", I would seriously look at this model (if it also meets my other criterias).

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Post by nc2010 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:45 pm

yur2die4 wrote:I don't know what would have changed in the last few years where it'd be any different from before. Usually always requiring asio4all for built in cards at low latency.
@yur2die4: There are some changes: Win10, Wasapi allowing lower latency (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/window ... ency-audio) but it seems Ableton didn't support it a few months ago.

Also we could hope new audio chipsets have improved this since ... 12 years ago when I started using Asio4All.

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Post by yur2die4 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:07 am

Let me know if you come across anyone who goes with wasapi and is happy with it. In my experience it was no match for Asio or asio emulation. i think it was usually CPU intensive in my case.

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Post by antic604 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:12 am

yur2die4 wrote:Let me know if you come across anyone who goes with wasapi and is happy with it. In my experience it was no match for Asio or asio emulation. i think it was usually CPU intensive in my case.
I'm using WASAPI with Bitwig (I can see no such option in Live) and I can't see visible difference in performance to Asio4All.

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Post by kirillov » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:02 pm

I just tested it roughly for you on my thinkpad t470p:

on an avarage project Direct X needs around 688 samples buffer,
while Asio4All works with 250..

cheers

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Post by antic604 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:59 pm

kirillov wrote:I just tested it roughly for you on my thinkpad t470p:

on an avarage project Direct X needs around 688 samples buffer,
while Asio4All works with 250..

cheers
But DirectX is not WASAPI, which for some reason can't be seen in Live, while I can use it in Bitwig.

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Post by jlgrimes » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:38 pm

I doubt it. You would most likely need to download the ASIO4ALL driver as most built-in soundcards don't have ASIO drivers (I could be wrong here).

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Re: People with Windows 10 and a recent laptop, do you ...

Post by kirillov » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:18 am

kirillov wrote:ut DirectX is not WASAPI, which for some reason can't be seen in Live, while I can use it in Bitwig.
right, thats why I tested it with directX for nc2010, because he asked for live performance with build in soundcard without asio4all.
cheers :-)

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