fishmonkey wrote:mikb wrote:
Maybe. But I have almost never heard anyone refer to the first minute as "minute zero". When did you hear this last? In a discipline where this is relevant just as within programming, yes, but in everyday language? I don't see it.
another red herring! have a look at arrangement view. bar 1 is physically drawn at time zero. it's just a different conception. a minute refers to the end of the minute, and a bar refers to the start of a bar. it's got nothing to do with whether or not people are "normal" or not...
How is that? My claim is that non-programmers, unlike programmers and other people from professions where it's natural to start at zero, almost never start at zero when counting anything. Personally I've only heard programmers do this, and actually only within the field of programming. I may of course be wrong on this, but I don't think I am so I am curious in how you think otherwise?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say? Even if time in music starts at "zero", the first bar is just that and not the "zeroth" bar.
It's possible I'm missing your finer point here. If so I apologize. Nothing you have suggested is wrong really. I just don't believe in that starting counting out loud at zero is very common and it seems you're suggesting this?
Just look at how you count 4ths, that I happened to do today in the studio to indicate the placement of these for a collaborator.
You don't go 0 - 1 - 2 - 3 - 0 - 1 - 2…
You go 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 - 2…
How is what you correctly point out, that there is a starting point before there is a one, relevant in that context? I don't see that it is. It's a zero with no time span. Music concerns time spans. No?
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