recording Looper into Arrangement

[slatepipe]

am i missing something or what don't i get?

i'm recording loops in to Loopers on different tracks by record arming the track, recording the loop in to Looper then leaving it to loop while i then move to another track and do the same

i can't figure out how to record the loops into arrangement as they play, so far i've had to set up extra tracks and have the Looper tracks send their audio to those tracks, that works fine but seems odd to have to do that. or i stop what i'm doing and use the Drag Me function to drop the loop into arrangement that way

what am i doing wrong?

thanks

[Angstrom]

You aren't mistaken there are some major flaws in the Looper implementation. In short: the looper doesn't record crucial parameter movements - so it's not possible to record a perfomance involving that effect device in the same way as with every other Ableton effect device.

You'd think this would be how it should work: Record some audio into an audio clip while the looper device is being used on that channel. Ensure that Live is also recording the Looper parameter changes at the same time as recording the audio. Stop recording and play back the session or arrangement with the audio clip and the looper, we'd expect the Live Set to play back all of the parameter actions and the audio exactly as they were entered - to recreate the performance. Just like when we twiddle a filter cutoff, it plays back at that parameter movement at the right time on the timeline.

That's not what happens.
The Looper does not record or replay many of its crucial parameters. So, if you started the track recording with the looper set at 4 bars, then doubled the Loop length then halved it, then doubled it twice more again ... when the set plays back the looper length will remain constant. it will not reflect the performance of parameter changes. No other Live device behaves this way.
Consequently the simplest method of capturing a Looper performance does not work. We have to make a new audio track for each looper and route into it, and the recording is of the baked-in Looper output.

I've reported this a loooooong time ago. I think it was filed as "not a bug" because it has never been addressed.

[slatepipe]

cheers, yeah seems very odd that they've done that, i haven't really used it in the past but lately i've been giving it some time and it seems like Looper is a pretty good device on its own but it looks like they couldn't be bothered to finish integrating it properly. i checked the dropdowns for the device in the arrangement view and some automated parameters are there, but not the ones you'd really want and the obvious fact that it doesn't just record itself into the timeline is nuts.

[Boneworks]

This is driving me mental, all I want to do is record my looper performance, with all the sends effect manipulations into arrangement as a stereo file. This should be simple, I don't know how many hours I've lost in tutorials, forums etc, not heard back from Ableton help. I've resisted Re-wiring Live to Logic but I guess that's what I'll have to do. For a piece of software with such a great aesthetic and seems so well designed this is a major pain in the arse and it's sapping a lot of my lockdown creadividy.

[Thierry Z]

Another thing you can do is route your mastersound into Voicemeeter Banana (external software) and route that into recording software like OBS. Than later on you can extract the wave file from your OBS recording.

[marush_music]

If you create a separate track that receives the track with the looper as the input and then record the receiving track you'll be able to record what's coming out of the looper.
Not ideal but it works!

[chapelier fou]

This is driving me mental, all I want to do is record my looper performance, with all the sends effect manipulations into arrangement as a stereo file. This should be simple, I don't know how many hours I've lost in tutorials, forums etc, not heard back from Ableton help. I've resisted Re-wiring Live to Logic but I guess that's what I'll have to do. For a piece of software with such a great aesthetic and seems so well designed this is a major pain in the arse and it's sapping a lot of my lockdown creadividy.

You can always resample the master or route any track to another track that is recording. I don’t get the problem.