Is it possible to receive from multichannel vst's in m4l.

[thorangutang2]

Hello, is anyone able to tell me whether or not it is possible to receive audio from a multichannel Vst plugin inside M4l?

So receiving Vst output 1 - 2 on plugin~ 1 2 and Vst output on plugin~ 3 4 and so on?

(I want to send the outputs of multiple multichannel vst's to the same receiving tracks. )

Thank you!
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Thor

[doubleUG]

https://maxforlive.com/library/device/5830/audio-routes

[thorangutang2]

Thank you for all replies so far!

If one takes a look at the audio routes m4l devices. For example the audio sender and audio receiver you will find that using the audio sender device you will be able to send to any input of a multichannel vst plugin by selecting something along these lines in the routing dialog for your chosen track: Input2/Input3_yourAmbisonicDecoder.vst.

However when using the audio receiver device you will only be presented with the three possible tap points pre fx, post fx and post mixer if you are attempting to receive audio from a track holding a multi channel plug in. Crucially it does not seem possible to access something along the line of Output 2/Input_3_yourambisonicEncoderr.vst.

In the IO section of any track you are able to select the outputs from a multichannel vst held on another track.

This leads me to conclude that M4l api does not in fact offer all the routing available in the IO section for each track. They seem to have omitted(forgotten?) this rather crucial point.

I have spent some time trying to solve this previously with M4l for Ableton 10 and the only way I have been able to do it is by wrapping the vst inside a device and then routing the outputs to the inputs of another multichannel plug or m4l device. I was never able to access the outputs of a multichannel plug.

Can anyone correct me on this assumption?

Thank you!

[pottering]

You don't even need M4L, you can use routing with External Instruments device, or between tracks.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... leton-live

https://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/ho ... udio-14495

(External Instruments don't have to be in separate tracks, you can put them in Chains in s Instrument Racks, together with Kontakt itself. Then you can skip a stereo pair like 1/2, since Kontakt outputs it already.)

I don't know about Audio Routes, since it is new and I don't have any multichannel installed right now (I did test External Instruments with Kontakt in the past, and it works).

Of course, after you already routed with tracks or External Instruments (in chains, in a Rack), then you can use any routing M4L device (like Audio Routes), or even Sidechain Listen in Gate/Compressor, to route further.

[thorangutang2]

I appreciate these tips but its not really what I need to do.

What I would like to achieve is to take for example the 32 channel output of a multichannel vst audio effect(not instrument) and send it to another 32 channel vst audio effect on another track, bypassing lives 2 channel limitation.

(its not really feasible to do this by adding 16 stereo tracks since I need to do it many times and the track count would become completely unmanageable very fast)

The send part works since M4L can access the input of a multichannel vst on any track in the session, the unanswered question is still if its possible to receive the output of multichannel vst's in M4L?

Thanks!

[hydrogen]

Thanks for posting this question. I am observing the audio routes in max for live are not reading the multichannel out from the vst.

one *hack* that i discovered is to use a rack. and place an external instrument on it. Route the midi to that instrument. Then the audio from will have a drop down with the VST outs.

I wonder if there is a method to get this same list of audio routes in Max4Live... Maybe emailing support?