Why doesn't breakpoint snap to grid? / How to adjust a breakpoint by typing in the value – please help!

[Christian_R]

Hello!

I have noticed that my breakpoints doesn't snap to the grid, even when "Snap to grid" is on. What I mean is when I make a breakpoint on the volume to make the sound fade in, the breakpoint isn't 100% at the grid when I zoom a lot in.

It's never a problem when I mark for example 4 bars (so the line gets blue) and drag down the volume. But if I try to adjust the volume manually later, it doesn't snap 100%.

Is there a better way to do this? It would be so much better if I could just click on a breakpoint, then type in the decibel volume with the keyboard rather than adjust the volume with the cursor. It takes longer time and is inaccurate.

I hope this made sense, and that somebody has some good tips for this

I use Ableton Live 9 Suite.

[Tone Deft]

are you asking how to avoid automation controls from snapping to the grid?

check the manual, you'll learn the right terminology and find an answer to your question. tip - right click in an area to get these options. there are no options in the menus at the top of the screen or in the preferences to set this. there's only one other area to look, right clicking.

[Da hand]

Is there a better way to do this? It would be so much better if I could just click on a breakpoint, then type in the decibel volume with the keyboard rather than adjust the volume with the cursor. It takes longer time and is inaccurate.

I hope this made sense, and that somebody has some good tips for this

I use Ableton Live 9 Suite.

You can do this as of Live 10.1.

[Christian_R]

Is there a better way to do this? It would be so much better if I could just click on a breakpoint, then type in the decibel volume with the keyboard rather than adjust the volume with the cursor. It takes longer time and is inaccurate.

I hope this made sense, and that somebody has some good tips for this

I use Ableton Live 9 Suite.

You can do this as of Live 10.1.

Do you mean type in the values on each breakpoint? Thank you for the reply by the way!

[Tone Deft]

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/autom ... envelopes/

specifics are found here...

[Da hand]

Is there a better way to do this? It would be so much better if I could just click on a breakpoint, then type in the decibel volume with the keyboard rather than adjust the volume with the cursor. It takes longer time and is inaccurate.

I hope this made sense, and that somebody has some good tips for this

I use Ableton Live 9 Suite.

You can do this as of Live 10.1.

Do you mean type in the values on each breakpoint? Thank you for the reply by the way!

Yes! Sorry if that wasn't clear. I had been waiting for that feature for years and did a huge dance when they announced it in version 10.1

In Live 9, the only aid in getting the right values is to activate a finer break point resolution by holding down the [CTRL](PC) / [CMD](Mac) key while dragging the break point.

[Christian_R]

Yes! Sorry if that wasn't clear. I had been waiting for that feature for years and did a huge dance when they announced it in version 10.1

In Live 9, the only aid in getting the right values is to activate a finer break point resolution by holding down the [CTRL](PC) / [CMD](Mac) key while dragging the break point.

That's good news. I think I will buy Live 10 soon, I just hope my Mac can handle it (I have iMac from 2013)

[Tone Deft]

double post.

[Tone Deft]

good luck! it's quite the investment, over $500! Live isn't known for it's Arrange View, their gimmic is Session View. it took them until the last update to add envelope curves. so 1990s of them.

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Live 10 basic is $375

even Pro Tools isn't that expensive compared to Live. that'd be a great option just for the community support, nothing like the void of support you get with Ableton, constant complaints on this forum about those guys.
https://my.avid.com/get/pro-tools-ultimate-trial

[Da hand]

good luck! it's quite the investment, over $500! Live isn't known for it's Arrange View, their gimmic is Session View. it took them until the last update to add envelope curves. so 1990s of them.

Ummm it is a lot less than $500 to upgrade from Live 9 to 10.

People who want to make music make music with Live just fine. One can make excuses, or just get on with things.

As for Arrangement View, it is true that I feel Live 10 is really the legitimate upgrade to Live 8 in terms of features that I personally wanted and felt Live 9 was kind of only half-way there. But I made music on 8 and on 9 just fine - for example, taking 10 more seconds to make my own envelope curves. Did all these "missing features" hurt my music results, not a bit.

Every DAW out there has things missing that some other DAW has. Choosing between them just comes down to personal needs and preferences.

even Pro Tools isn't that expensive compared to Live.

Lol, come on.... a one year subscription of using Pro Tools costs the same as a Live equivalent perpetual license. A perpetual Pro Tools license costs $3400.00 !!

[Tone Deft]

Every DAW out there has things missing that some other DAW has. Choosing between them just comes down to personal needs and preferences.

I'm feeling this. I've been devoted to Live alone for 15+ years. my G.A.S. $ goes towards accessories but I never stopped to consider my own needs. lower latency and Comping, stuff that's fun with a guitar. using a DAW that was built around what I know only as Arrange View. I started with Acid, Reason and Cakewalk before Live. I screwed up drinking the Ableton Kool-Aid.

even Pro Tools isn't that expensive compared to Live.

Lol, come on.... a one year subscription of using Pro Tools costs the same as a Live equivalent perpetual license. A perpetual Pro Tools license costs $3400.00 !!

please correct me if I'm wrong, I've never downloaded Pro Tools. doubt I ever will, gut feeling.
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$30 for a one year subscription. your example is a straw man argument. shoot for the strongest data point you can find without regard for context. no hobbyist pays that much and they do market/sell to the hobbyists' wallets. I might be wrong but you're selling me that I'm off by $3k!!

[ozinga]

please correct me if I'm wrong, I've never downloaded Pro Tools. doubt I ever will, gut feeling.
https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDeta ... store=shop
$30 for a one year subscription. your example is a straw man argument. shoot for the strongest data point you can find without regard for context. no hobbyist pays that much and they do market/sell to the hobbyists' wallets. I might be wrong but you're selling me that I'm off by $3k!!

That is $ 30 per month

[Da hand]

please correct me if I'm wrong, I've never downloaded Pro Tools. doubt I ever will, gut feeling.
https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDeta ... store=shop
$30 for a one year subscription. your example is a straw man argument. shoot for the strongest data point you can find without regard for context. no hobbyist pays that much and they do market/sell to the hobbyists' wallets. I might be wrong but you're selling me that I'm off by $3k!!

That is $ 30 per month

Exactly, starting at $30 US per month for the basic Pro Tools. Starting at $80 per month for the Full Pro Tools.

[Tone Deft]

please correct me if I'm wrong, I've never downloaded Pro Tools. doubt I ever will, gut feeling.
https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDeta ... store=shop
$30 for a one year subscription. your example is a straw man argument. shoot for the strongest data point you can find without regard for context. no hobbyist pays that much and they do market/sell to the hobbyists' wallets. I might be wrong but you're selling me that I'm off by $3k!!

That is $ 30 per month

Exactly, starting at $30 US per month for the basic Pro Tools. Starting at $80 per month for the Full Pro Tools.

thanks for clarifying. looking at their page now they say 'per year' but the money is on a per/month charge, sneaky f--er marketing. $360 every year to pay for a DAW. Ableton costs LESS than that every (2-4?) years. that makes soooo much more sense. I thought I was looking at the Live Lite version of Pro Tools, which would be interesting as an add-on tool. forget that noise, Ableton udersells them by design, makes sense. PT can charge premium money from their industry positioning.

[Christian_R]

Ummm it is a lot less than $500 to upgrade from Live 9 to 10.

Do you know what the upgrade costs? I couldn't find anything on Ableton's site, just the normal prize