MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
You don’t have to do anything, when opening the first Intel app a window will appear to install Rosetta, after this every Intel app will use Rosetta automatically, the get info window is only valid for universal apps where there is actually a choice wether to use Rosetta or not, as Ableton is Intel only for know you don’t have to worry about this. So install and use Ableton as you’re used to…
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Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
The option to “Open in Rosetta” will only show for apps that are already fully native universal binaries. Intel apps can only be run through Rosetta, so such an option would be pointless. Nothing needs to be manually installed. Just launching any Intel executable should trigger the request to install Rosetta. Hopefully this was done under an administrator account.Biggnikh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:43 pm
Thank you for your reply Cids.
Isn't he supposed to see the info of the app with a choice for opening the app, like the second picture in this link?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211861
On his M1, he does not have an option to open an app as Rosetta
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Nico
Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
You only have this option for Universal apps and Ableton is not such an app at the moment. Just run Ableton, no additional steps needed!
Mac Studio M2 Max and MacBook Pro M1
Genelec M030; Live 11.3.x and Live 12; macOS Sonoma
UAD Apollo Twin
Ableton Push 2
Genelec M030; Live 11.3.x and Live 12; macOS Sonoma
UAD Apollo Twin
Ableton Push 2
Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
Hello everyone,
So my MBA M1 arrived this afternoon, and I have to say I'm surprised at how well it plays with both 10 and 11 - especially in regards to plug ins - I use the Neutron Elements 3 to help with my Masters - and whenever the plug in would be on my screen on my old MBP 2013' i5 model, the audio would just become inaudible.
Not the case with the M1 - really shocked. And thats just with the intel version, so am really looking forward to whatever comes in the future.
So my MBA M1 arrived this afternoon, and I have to say I'm surprised at how well it plays with both 10 and 11 - especially in regards to plug ins - I use the Neutron Elements 3 to help with my Masters - and whenever the plug in would be on my screen on my old MBP 2013' i5 model, the audio would just become inaudible.
Not the case with the M1 - really shocked. And thats just with the intel version, so am really looking forward to whatever comes in the future.
Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
That is helpful, thank you!cids wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:13 pmYou don’t have to do anything, when opening the first Intel app a window will appear to install Rosetta, after this every Intel app will use Rosetta automatically, the get info window is only valid for universal apps where there is actually a choice wether to use Rosetta or not, as Ableton is Intel only for know you don’t have to worry about this. So install and use Ableton as you’re used to…
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Nico
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Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
Thank you Tronam, helpful as well !Tronam wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:38 pmThe option to “Open in Rosetta” will only show for apps that are already fully native universal binaries. Intel apps can only be run through Rosetta, so such an option would be pointless. Nothing needs to be manually installed. Just launching any Intel executable should trigger the request to install Rosetta. Hopefully this was done under an administrator account.
Yes this was done from his admin (sole user) account
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Nico
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Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
Any idea when the M1 might go Native?
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Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
The fact that it runs so well on Rosetta 2 makes it a less urgent matter no doubt.
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I disagree.jonljacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:03 amThe fact that it runs so well on Rosetta 2 makes it a less urgent matter no doubt.
Ableton 11 running on Rosetta 2 uses way too much CPU. I ended up buying Logic because it runs natively. It’s a hassle to learn a new DAW, but I have no other choice.
That being said, Ableton is my favorite DAW of all time. I will immediately switch back once Ableton releases a native version!
I hope they finish it soon.
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Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
I didn't mean to indicate that it's ideal, but I was comparing it to the way Live and other stuff would run under emulation or in a VM. For instance, Live running under x86 emulation on Windows for ARM. Unusable. In a VM, basically unusable. In point of fact, it's usable under Rosetta 2 if you don't throw too much stuff at it. My projects are mostly audio so it's quite doable for me.Treysonik wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:33 pmI disagree.jonljacobi wrote: ↑Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:03 amThe fact that it runs so well on Rosetta 2 makes it a less urgent matter no doubt.
Ableton 11 running on Rosetta 2 uses way too much CPU. I ended up buying Logic because it runs natively. It’s a hassle to learn a new DAW, but I have no other choice.
That being said, Ableton is my favorite DAW of all time. I will immediately switch back once Ableton releases a native version!
I hope they finish it soon.
There also seems to be a huge discrepancy in user experience in terms of CPU usage under 11. I've experienced both the good and the bad. However, in my case it was the newer versions of Kontakt that were killing it. Moving back to 6.2 solved my problem. I'd be interested in how well 11.05 runs on an M1. They seem to have fixed some native CPU hogging plugins. I'll try that next time I'm in the office.
My actual point was that it runs "well enough" under Rosetta 2 (that's what I should've said) that they probably don't have the same sense of urgency as if it wasn't usable in any fashion. The yin and yang of having Rosetta 2. And while M1 has sold a lot, how many users are doing anything as heavy-duty as Live?
By way of agreeing with you, I've stuck with my older i7 because I don't consider the M1 software environment sufficiently developed to make the move. Well, that and no need. I use Logic sometimes as well, but Live is also my favorite.
Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
Interesting point. Thanks.
My feeling is that at the moment, M1 is not ready for prime time with Ableton and Plugins. This happens also with some Video Editing apps and Plugins.
Intel is still better supported now IMHO. However, some end of life Intel Macs needs a replacement and I have big doubts about getting an M1 over an Intel. Sure Ableton Native is very much wanted. It's a pity Apple didn't issue a statement about "After the sale of the latest Intel Mac those will be supported with new OS Release for XXX years"
My feeling is that at the moment, M1 is not ready for prime time with Ableton and Plugins. This happens also with some Video Editing apps and Plugins.
Intel is still better supported now IMHO. However, some end of life Intel Macs needs a replacement and I have big doubts about getting an M1 over an Intel. Sure Ableton Native is very much wanted. It's a pity Apple didn't issue a statement about "After the sale of the latest Intel Mac those will be supported with new OS Release for XXX years"
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Live 12 Suite,Zebra ,Valhalla Plugins, MIDI Guitar (2+3),Guitar, Bass, VG99, GP10, JV1010 and some controllers
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Music : http://alonetone.com/pasha
Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
I did a very simple non scientific test with Bitwig ,which is native M1 with V4 and Serum, also native M1.
It’s not to provoke anybody or start a vs discussion, but simple numbers that are important to me as a user of different DAW’s.
Not saying any one of my DAW,s is better to worse..
A track playing a 3 note chord with Serum loaded.
MacBook M1 8 core CPU
16 GB
512 SSD
1 TB external Samsung SSD.
21 tracks in latest version Live 10 ….. 22 tracks introduced crackles resulting in a total stop of audio playback.
43 tracks in latest demo Bitwig 4.0x 44 tracks introduced crackles resulting in a total stop of audio playback.
Hope this helps anyone who finds these raw numbers important somehow.
It’s not to provoke anybody or start a vs discussion, but simple numbers that are important to me as a user of different DAW’s.
Not saying any one of my DAW,s is better to worse..
A track playing a 3 note chord with Serum loaded.
MacBook M1 8 core CPU
16 GB
512 SSD
1 TB external Samsung SSD.
21 tracks in latest version Live 10 ….. 22 tracks introduced crackles resulting in a total stop of audio playback.
43 tracks in latest demo Bitwig 4.0x 44 tracks introduced crackles resulting in a total stop of audio playback.
Hope this helps anyone who finds these raw numbers important somehow.
Re: MacOS Big Sur and M1 (Apple Processor) support
Thanks, really appreciate this. Useful. About the RAM are you using a lot or still behind 8GB? (I saw you have a 16GB machine)
Mac Studio M1
Live 12 Suite,Zebra ,Valhalla Plugins, MIDI Guitar (2+3),Guitar, Bass, VG99, GP10, JV1010 and some controllers
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Music : http://alonetone.com/pasha
Live 12 Suite,Zebra ,Valhalla Plugins, MIDI Guitar (2+3),Guitar, Bass, VG99, GP10, JV1010 and some controllers
______________________________________
Music : http://alonetone.com/pasha