has it been fixed? I'm considering on buying 5700g or 5600g. My current amd a6 just can't handle it anymore.
-msi b450m mortar max
-2x 8gb 3200mhz
- behringer umc22
is it a good thing or a bad thing?planet_b wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 7:18 amI built a 5950x rig last month, haven't had such issues, so maybe it's not that widespread problem. I'm on Win10 so I disabled TPM completely. The current AMD chipset version 4.03.03.431 was already available at the time of install, so that's the only version I have experience with.
The good old Live "performance test" of loading the Live built-in demo song and multiplying the whole set.. I can get to around 400 tracks before drops in audio. The CPU could handle much more (Windows CPU meter is at 70% by this time) but some cores are hitting 100% load so the glitching begins because of that.
should I go with 5700g?planet_b wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 11:23 amWell, life was simpler with my previous Intel i7 based setup. With Windows power profiles, toggling between the normal desktop/web browsing usage (power saver profile) and DAW use (high performance profile) was pretty convenient. As Intel has stopped even trying to make power efficient CPU's these days, meanwhile AMD's power saving features are very agressive in comparison. I think this contributes much to how well they suit to each one's usage "out of the box". With Ryzen 5000 series, the "AMD optimized" power profiles are no longer installed with the chipset drivers, so even having "high performance" profile on, the cores will go to sleep when idle, and while they are loaded, their frequency can be anything between 0.3 GHz and 5 GHz.
With static image rendering in offline mode, the CPU cores are fully utilized like the image below, all cores are at equal clock speed, and the rendering is only limited by the TDC and EDC power settings.
But when we go to the DAW world, where processing is realtime
This is where we have the Live 11 demo song multiplied until it's 405 tracks. Only two CPU cores are heavily loaded and there are more than half that are running below their base clock 3.4 GHz. And the constant juggling of the core speeds doesn't translate that well into low latency realtime processing. Sometimes it glitches at this point, sometimes it doesn't.
There are BIOS level settings that will disable the power saving features, and leave the clocks running at static setting. And/or static overclock on certain cpu speed. But this would end up keep the CPU running much warmer, the fan noise increases etc.
Of course, that 405 tracks is an absurd amount and doesn't represent my needs, but yet still.. a bit disappointing after having high hopes of upgrading to 16 core cpu. Like said.. life was simpler with Intel, now I need to dig very deep into the BIOS and the overclocking tools to get optimal performance..
Do share it here if you found a way to unlock the full potential of the cpu in ableton.planet_b wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 11:23 amWell, life was simpler with my previous Intel i7 based setup. With Windows power profiles, toggling between the normal desktop/web browsing usage (power saver profile) and DAW use (high performance profile) was pretty convenient. As Intel has stopped even trying to make power efficient CPU's these days, meanwhile AMD's power saving features are very agressive in comparison. I think this contributes much to how well they suit to each one's usage "out of the box". With Ryzen 5000 series, the "AMD optimized" power profiles are no longer installed with the chipset drivers, so even having "high performance" profile on, the cores will go to sleep when idle, and while they are loaded, their frequency can be anything between 0.3 GHz and 5 GHz.
With static image rendering in offline mode, the CPU cores are fully utilized like the image below, all cores are at equal clock speed, and the rendering is only limited by the TDC and EDC power settings.
But when we go to the DAW world, where processing is realtime
This is where we have the Live 11 demo song multiplied until it's 405 tracks. Only two CPU cores are heavily loaded and there are more than half that are running below their base clock 3.4 GHz. And the constant juggling of the core speeds doesn't translate that well into low latency realtime processing. Sometimes it glitches at this point, sometimes it doesn't.
There are BIOS level settings that will disable the power saving features, and leave the clocks running at static setting. And/or static overclock on certain cpu speed. But this would end up keep the CPU running much warmer, the fan noise increases etc.
Of course, that 405 tracks is an absurd amount and doesn't represent my needs, but yet still.. a bit disappointing after having high hopes of upgrading to 16 core cpu. Like said.. life was simpler with Intel, now I need to dig very deep into the BIOS and the overclocking tools to get optimal performance..
don't know about intel 12th gen though, there's might be an issue with the P and E core situation. plus with the gpu situation.
If you're working on multiple tracks, but only 2 cores are used, this seems to be more of an Ableton problem (which people should report to them, and Ableton should address) than CPU problem. Lets just say that other DAWs do not have this same problem.planet_b wrote: ↑Sun May 22, 2022 11:23 amWell, life was simpler with my previous Intel i7 based setup. With Windows power profiles, toggling between the normal desktop/web browsing usage (power saver profile) and DAW use (high performance profile) was pretty convenient. As Intel has stopped even trying to make power efficient CPU's these days, meanwhile AMD's power saving features are very agressive in comparison. I think this contributes much to how well they suit to each one's usage "out of the box". With Ryzen 5000 series, the "AMD optimized" power profiles are no longer installed with the chipset drivers, so even having "high performance" profile on, the cores will go to sleep when idle, and while they are loaded, their frequency can be anything between 0.3 GHz and 5 GHz.
With static image rendering in offline mode, the CPU cores are fully utilized like the image below, all cores are at equal clock speed, and the rendering is only limited by the TDC and EDC power settings.
But when we go to the DAW world, where processing is realtime
This is where we have the Live 11 demo song multiplied until it's 405 tracks. Only two CPU cores are heavily loaded and there are more than half that are running below their base clock 3.4 GHz. And the constant juggling of the core speeds doesn't translate that well into low latency realtime processing. Sometimes it glitches at this point, sometimes it doesn't.
There are BIOS level settings that will disable the power saving features, and leave the clocks running at static setting. And/or static overclock on certain cpu speed. But this would end up keep the CPU running much warmer, the fan noise increases etc.
Of course, that 405 tracks is an absurd amount and doesn't represent my needs, but yet still.. a bit disappointing after having high hopes of upgrading to 16 core cpu. Like said.. life was simpler with Intel, now I need to dig very deep into the BIOS and the overclocking tools to get optimal performance..