Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

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Cloth Ears
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Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by Cloth Ears » Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:10 pm

To plug in a condensor microphone with XLR, what type of convertor cable do I need?

I see some cables go from female XLR to a 3-pole 1/4 inch jack, while other adaptor cables that convert to 2-pole 1/4 inch jack.

https://www.thomann.de/gb/hhb_flashmic_ ... el_150.htm <<<3 pole example
https://www.thomann.de/gb/shure_wa_304.htm <<<2 pole example

I am unsure what is the right type of cable. As I understand it, 3 pin XLR are balaced and have ground, positive and negative. Since the marketing says the inputs are balanced, I am confused as to whether they would accept 2 or 3 pole?

I realize that I will either need to use batterries or get an inline 48v Phantom PSU like this:

https://www.thomann.de/gb/millenium_pocket_phantom.htm


Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by [jur] » Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:01 pm

If you plug a condenser mic into Push's audio interface you won't get anything... Push doesn't provide fantom voltage.
So, either use a dynamic mic, or use a mic preamp between your condenser and Push.
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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by [jur] » Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:04 pm

Cloth Ears wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:10 pm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/hhb_flashmic_ ... el_150.htm <<<3 pole example
Use this one for e.g a dynamic mic. But if you use a condenser with a preamp, there's many chances that this preamp has a jack output.
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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by Cloth Ears » Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:20 am

[jur] wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:04 pm
Cloth Ears wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:10 pm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/hhb_flashmic_ ... el_150.htm <<<3 pole example
Use this one for e.g a dynamic mic. But if you use a condenser with a preamp, there's many chances that this preamp has a jack output.
Thanks once again jur. Don't know what I would do without you.

I ordered this:
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/pr ... tubepre-v2

It has both unbalanced jack output and balanced XLR. I am still unsure whether the Push3 jack sockets accept 3-pole mono balanced (like a stereo jack) or only 2 pole mono unbalanced inputs.

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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by [jur] » Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:35 am

Cloth Ears wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:20 am
I am still unsure whether the Push3 jack sockets accept 3-pole mono balanced (like a stereo jack) or only 2 pole mono unbalanced inputs.
Both :wink:
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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by grein » Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:43 am

In case you don’t know, this might be a better option. You’d get analog I/O via ADAT and 8 mic preamps for your Push:

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/be ... n-ada-8200

I haven’t used either device, so I can’t comment on the preamp quality. But the Behringer pres seem to be ok, at least.

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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by Cloth Ears » Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:44 pm

grein wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:43 am
In case you don’t know, this might be a better option. You’d get analog I/O via ADAT and 8 mic preamps for your Push:

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/be ... n-ada-8200

I haven’t used either device, so I can’t comment on the preamp quality. But the Behringer pres seem to be ok, at least.
I have cancelled the Presonus Preamp and gone for this instead. Thanks for the heads up. My Condensers are not that good, so an OK preamp will do.

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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by Cloth Ears » Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:45 pm

[jur] wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:35 am
Cloth Ears wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:20 am
I am still unsure whether the Push3 jack sockets accept 3-pole mono balanced (like a stereo jack) or only 2 pole mono unbalanced inputs.
Both :wink:
Good to know jur, I did not see any reference in the Push 3 manual as to the specifics.


Thanks once more.

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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by [jur] » Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:37 pm

Cloth Ears wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:45 pm
Good to know jur, I did not see any reference in the Push 3 manual as to the specifics.
If you go to the Input/Outpus tech specs here, it is written:
"Built-in audio interface
With two inputs switchable between line (balanced) or instrument (unbalanced), and two balanced outputs."

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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by vjfranzk » Mon Aug 14, 2023 10:51 am

I've been using XLR -> 1/4 for my vocals, as I will hope to do in live shows.

I have set the loudest preamp setting, but - it's still not very loud? I have to use a compressor to make it really audible, and it isn't using much of the dynamic range of the .WAVs for sure.

https://youtu.be/ulA-wK1HcGU

^ Yes, I might use another preamp and even a condenser mic at home,

but I was really hoping this to be my 1-box show for live travel.

Thoughts? It doesn't seem exactly intended for vocals. (Also, as mentioned elsewhere, we'd like a native Auto-Tune like audio effect.)

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Re: Push 3 mic input XLR to 1/4 inch jack adaptor

Post by 102455 » Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:29 pm

For autotune, the little Roland VT-4 is pretty good. It has a convenient knob for setting key, combi XLR/jack and phantom power. Various FX onboard too.

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