Arrangement position not placing 1 on the right beat

[Snoekie66]

Hi all

I'm busy programming a show with many cues and vamps etc. I'm presently working on a cue in 4/4 that starts with a 2/4 count in, plays for 70 bars then vamps and has to devamp to the next cue at the end of the bar. All the programming is correct (quantization set to 1 bar) except that ableton is obviously not reading the 2/4 bar in the beginning so is 2 counts out with the actual song. What Ableton thinks is 1, is actually 3. So when I devamp, it will devamp when it has counted to 4 which is in the middle of the actual bar of music.

I hope this makes sense. Any suggestions?

Thank you!

[slow.robot]

if I understand, you may just need to add a time signature marker at the point where you want the '1'. so just a 4/4 marker at that point, I think. it's been a while since I've needed to do that, but as I recall that's how to reset the meter whenever there are shortened (or lengthened) bars.

[Snoekie66]

I forgot to mention I am working in session view, so there's no timeline to which I can add a single bar of 2/4 eg.

[slow.robot]

ah, okay, I think I understand now. you're using 'pick-up' beats/measures in a Session view clip. I think that can be done by opening the clip editor and shifting the Start marker for the clip to where you want the pick-up measure to begin, and the loop markers to where you want the loop to play. it sounds like you might need to keep the quantization settings in mind when triggering during live playback, in order to ensure the pickup notes and the 'one' fall in the correct place (the forum post below explains why). I've never done this myself, as I don't use Session view, but hopefully some of this is useful.

some background that might help:
viewtopic.php?t=237368

the clip view section of the manual, in case it's helpful:
https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/clip-view/#clip-view

if you have Max 4 Live, it looks like there's a device that may do what you need more easily:
https://youtu.be/HGjx4Qwki2k?si=XrjvZdel1t90rXju

[chapelier fou]

Not sure I understand, but you can automate the time signature from the session with my Grand Duc device.
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/5858/grand-duc