Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

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Emi San
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Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by Emi San » Sat Mar 09, 2024 4:01 pm

Hey all,
so i've been using Live 12 for a few days now, and everything is working fine expect my plugins.
Once i examine the VST and AU folders and they appear in the browser, loading one of them (but not ALL go them, which is super weird) makes the software crash.
And because it won't restart anymore, i have to delete the Preferences file for the root library for it to open again.
If y re-analyze my plugins and try to load one, it crashes again, and i have to restart all over again.

Is there a way to fix this ?
Help !

Yearofthegoat
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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by Yearofthegoat » Sun Mar 10, 2024 3:10 am

Sounds like there's a problematic VST in there.

Might be a long job, but you could move them all out, then put them back in one by one until it crashes again. Then you'd know the first culprit. Remove that one and continue with the others, until you have all the working ones in there.

Just a thought

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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by lovelight » Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:14 pm

Ive got that problem with Minifreak VST3, but not Minifreak VST2. And same problem with NI Komplete Kontrol 2.9.6 VST2, but not not KK 3 VST3
( you can have both kK installed. )
They cant be loaded and when i shut down Live 12 it act as it has crashed and ask if i want to reopen it.
Ive reinstalled everything both Live and the vsts, but without any luck.
Otherwise everything else works like a Dream

Mac mini.

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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by cids » Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:22 pm

Which macOS version?
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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by lovelight » Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:45 am

Sonoma 14.4
Ive solved the KK 2.9.6 problem, it seems I need to run live with Rosetta with that specific vst2 version.
The Minifreak VST3 still won't work.

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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by cids » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:06 pm

Most NI VST2s (if not all) need Rosetta - native Apple silicon support is VST3 only

This has nothing to do with Ableton
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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by gbiz » Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:30 pm

Probably not the same issue as the OP but I've got an issue with Live12 crashing with a selection of U-He plugins.

Open my default live set & add (say) Uhbik-D to a channel.
Open the channel & then open the effect from the toolbar to bring up the plugin window.
Close the effect with the same icon in the toolbar.
The graphics for the plugin disappear from the window but the now greyed out window remains behind, where you'd normally expect the window to disappear.
Click on the "open plugin" icon again & a second plugin window opens.
Close the plugin again & it leaves another blank pane behind.
Repeat ....
When you close Live it crashes.

Of the plugins i tried ...
Issue occurs with ACE, Presswerk, ZebraHZ, Bazille, every Uhbik i tested. VST3 or AU.
OK with Diva, MFM2, Filterscape, Zebralette3.
All non U-He plugins i tested seem to be ok - Valhalla, Audio Damage.

Obviously they work fine in Live11.

x86 macOS Ventura.

Ableton support have a couple of crashes from me. It's 100% reproducable.

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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by cids » Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:39 pm

gbiz wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:30 pm
Probably not the same issue as the OP but I've got an issue with Live12 crashing with a selection of U-He plugins.

Open my default live set & add (say) Uhbik-D to a channel.
Open the channel & then open the effect from the toolbar to bring up the plugin window.
Close the effect with the same icon in the toolbar.
The graphics for the plugin disappear from the window but the now greyed out window remains behind, where you'd normally expect the window to disappear.
Click on the "open plugin" icon again & a second plugin window opens.
Close the plugin again & it leaves another blank pane behind.
Repeat ....
When you close Live it crashes.

Of the plugins i tried ...
Issue occurs with ACE, Presswerk, ZebraHZ, Bazille, every Uhbik i tested. VST3 or AU.
OK with Diva, MFM2, Filterscape, Zebralette3.
All non U-He plugins i tested seem to be ok - Valhalla, Audio Damage.

Obviously they work fine in Live11.

x86 macOS Ventura.

Ableton support have a couple of crashes from me. It's 100% reproducable.
Tested with ACE 1.4.2 and Bazille 1.1.2 - no issues here
Mac Studio M2 Max and MacBook Pro M1

Genelec M030; Live 11.3.x and Live 12; macOS Sonoma

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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by chapelier fou » Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:16 am

lovelight wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:45 am
Sonoma 14.4
https://cdm.link/2024/03/ffs-pace/
MacBook Pro 13" Retina i7 2.8 GHz OS 10.13, L10.0.1, M4L.
MacStudio M1Max 32Go OS 12.3.1

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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by cids » Thu Mar 14, 2024 7:59 am

chapelier fou wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:16 am
lovelight wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:45 am
Sonoma 14.4
https://cdm.link/2024/03/ffs-pace/
Only relevant for iLok protected AUs
Mac Studio M2 Max and MacBook Pro M1

Genelec M030; Live 11.3.x and Live 12; macOS Sonoma

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chapelier fou
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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by chapelier fou » Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:33 am

@cids :
I didn't read all the details, sorry. I just thought it would help.
MacBook Pro 13" Retina i7 2.8 GHz OS 10.13, L10.0.1, M4L.
MacStudio M1Max 32Go OS 12.3.1

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Re: Live 12 - VSTs crash the software

Post by cids » Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:02 am

chapelier fou wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:33 am
@cids :
I didn't read all the details, sorry. I just thought it would help.
No worries, thanks for sharing!
Mac Studio M2 Max and MacBook Pro M1

Genelec M030; Live 11.3.x and Live 12; macOS Sonoma

UAD Apollo Twin

Ableton Push 2

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