Pressing Stop Button resets the global scale

[Staubkoenig]

Hello,
what the title says: whenever i press the stop button the global scale resets to C Major and the scale mode button turns grey insteead of purple.

[Gral]

I just checked it and cannot confirm this strange behaviour.

It doesn't happen when I press the Stop button with the mouse within Ableton nor when I map this button to my midi controller and press it from here.

[AJOK]

Same thing happening here!

[Télémaque]

I have the same issue

[chapelier fou]

Do you know that there is no Global Scale ?
Do you have an issue with Push not playing the right scale when the transport is stopped ?

[Télémaque]

I know, to explain this simply, if I put on a scale on a track. If I press Stop all clips, sometimes the scale reverts to C Major. So when playing live, this is a KILLER BUG!

[Cypeace]

Just to make sure there's no misunderstanding.. ypu don't put scale on track, you put scale inside clip. Maybe stopping on a different track selects different clip, maybe with disabled scale resulting in default C Major greyed out?

[Télémaque]

Ok, maybe this video will make more sense...
http://youtu.be/OSjGugR9RzA
I record live loops, and I can't set the scale of a specific track.
If I set the scale on one clip in a track, and I record a new clip, it will default to that scale, but if I change the tracks (which is the essence of live looping), Ableton revert to C major and I loose my scale.
So if you tell me that this is working as designed, then I really don't see the point of scale awareness, as this was working perfectly in Ableton 11. You would set the scale of your song, and it was done. Didn't have to think about it anymore.
Now, how can I use the scale in a live session?
Thank you for your insights

[scheffkoch]

…what is not clear to me: do you use ableton‘s „scale“ device on the tracks?…and if so…are these set to have scale awereness?…

[chapelier fou]

Ok I think I get it @Télémaque :

You use Push to input notes in live recordings. You want Push to be set at a specific scale when you play (and record).
But : the "current scale" (it's a better terminology than "global scale" because THERE IS NO GLOBAL SCALE IN LIVE 12), remains as the last selected clip's scale.
So in practice, when you trigger a clip recording, the current scale might be off, or a "wrong" scale.

That's how it "works", I'm afraid.

THAT SAID :
M4L API allows us to set the scale and the root note. So, I guess someone (me ?) could write a device that selects a given scale when you select a given track. Would it work for you ?

(By the way @Ableton and @c74, the LOM says for scale_name says :
"The global scale in Live is not visible in the Live UI but it is synchronized with Push, and with the clip that is currently focused in Live. Making a clip active in the Clip View by focussing it sets the global scale if that clip's scale setting is ON. This same global scale can also be changed from Push."
Please correct this, you're digging your own grave with this terminology that is feeding the confusion.)

[scheffkoch]

...i just tested it again and imo there is a "global scale"...when you insert the scale-device on a track and active scale awareness on it it follows the scale that you select with your push respectively with "global scale" on the status bar...even recorded chords change when you switch e.g. from minor to major...

[scheffkoch]

"THAT SAID :
M4L API allows us to set the scale and the root note. So, I guess someone (me ?) could write a device that selects a given scale when you select a given track. Would it work for you ?"

...i think this is possible with this device: https://www.soundmanufacture.net/devices/scaleomat

...i've used this device for global scale changes on live10/11 but now i can use ableton's stock device...

[chapelier fou]

...i just tested it again and imo there is a "global scale"

No, there is a "current scale".

[scheffkoch]

...isn't it a "global scale" when one scale (that you can select from push or from the transport bar) transmits to all tracks with a scale device on it that has scale awareness active?...but yes...maybe the confusion is because of the naming...

[chapelier fou]

But it doesn’t do that