DS Kick producing a popping sound

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Hey all,

Firstly, let's not get my use of the term 'pop' confused with the 'click' you can add to a DS Kick instance.

In short, when increasing the attack amount on a DS Kick instance, where a midi clip has at least one note with velocity less than or greater than the rest, an audible pop is noticable. Setting the velocity to the same value on all notes gets rid of the pops, bit that's not what I want.

Let's take a simple four to the floor rhythm where the last beat of the clip has a "ghost" kick after it like so:



You'll notice that the attack on DS Kick is at 15%. This is to remove the click at the start of each kick (which is nothing to do with the 'click' option, DS Kick already has a click without this mode enabled).

You'll also notice that the ghost kick at the end of the clip has a lower velocity. This is where this pop is introduced. Set that note back to 100 to match the others and it goes away. It doesn't matter what velocity the main notes are at, just that the ghost note it different to the others. It can be higher or lower, it doesn't seem to matter, only that it's different.

It seems someone else tried to highlight this issue a few years ago but didn't do a very good job of it:

viewtopic.php?p=1785524&hilit=DS+Kick+DS+Kick#p1785524

I'm running Live 12.1.5 on a MacBook Pro 2.3 GHz i9 with 32GB RAM. Sequoia 15.3.

Is anyone else able to reproduce this problem?

Thanks

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Just wondering if anyone else is able to reproduce this?

[doubleUG]

can´t reproduce. Seems all fine here. Win11 Live. 12.1.10
Can you make screenshot of the Waveform.

[zsteinkamp]

I can repo it with the settings you've shown.

There is no click if the lower velocity note starts after the Decay of the prior note has finished. If you put the Decay at 0.0% then there is no click. If you put it at 100% then any velocity of that 4.3 note makes a click.

In looking at the waveform (how to attach images here?), it looks like a case of the Decay oscillator jumping to a new value when the offending note starts. I haven't looked inside the device, but it does appear that the Attack does a little crossfader thing with the Decay, so high attack values will suppress the decay oscillator in the beginning.

One thing you could do is use two tracks for the kicks, with the one you want to hit on the upbeat on a different track. You could also use an Instrument Rack with two chains, each with their own DS Kick, and use the MIDI note and "Key Zone Editor" to send kicks to one or the other. So you'd put your downbeat kicks on, say C3, then the upbeat one on B3, and make sure that B3 goes to your other DS Kick.

[zsteinkamp]

Here's the click waveform. Forgot I had a way here to host my own images. Derp!

[zsteinkamp]

And this is what I meant with the Rack idea:

[doubleUG]

Now I can reproduce, my Set tempo was to low. At 120 BPM It Clicks between the last Kick and the first Kick.

[[jur]]

I think this is a known issue, but it'd be great if you could report to Support anyway. Thx.

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Thanks for the great feedback everyone and glad it's not just my setup.

And this is what I meant with the Rack idea:

This is a great tip thanks. I'm a long time Logic user (back when it was on Windows too!) making the change (basically I'm no longer prepared to pay Apple ££££'s for non-upgradable hardware that run hotter than the sun), so little pointers in these early days are great