Losing part of the first beat

difference · Post by **difference** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:30 am

Anyone else have this problem?

If I have for example a one bar 4/4 kick drum loop, accurately trimmed, and loop it over a 4 bars in live's arrangement I lose the initial attack of the first beat of the first bar.

I'm using 5.0.3 on XP

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:20 am

Yup, I get that as well.

A fix I've found in arrangement view is to always keep a bit of a 'front end' on the clip that is blank. So lay the clip down, then drag the start of it back in time a half bar or so.

In session view, its just a pain and I haven't found a work around yet.

-tim

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:31 am

Turning off "fade" in clip properties often helps.

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:45 am

Nup, this is different than fade. It only happens on the very first iteration of the loop, or the first time its introduced in arrange view. The fade parameter would affect every time the loop began (to compensate for potential clicks in loops).

difference · Post by **difference** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:19 pm

Any response from Ableton on this?

I only noticed recently so not sure if this is a new bug in 5.0.3 or if it was there before.

justin · Post by **justin** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:07 pm

yep, i noticed that a while back whilst chopping up som drum loops.

it softens the attack of the first beat...

this is quite annoying, bcos then u have to use a sample editor to fix it!

Hedroom · Post by **Hedroom** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:22 pm

timothyallan wrote:Nup, this is different than fade. It only happens on the very first iteration of the loop, or the first time its introduced in arrange view. The fade parameter would affect every time the loop began (to compensate for potential clicks in loops).

Yep, you would think so wouldn't you? But SOMETIMES switching off fade does appear to help. May not help in your case though.

supster · Post by **supster** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:23 pm

difference wrote:Any response from Ableton on this?

I only noticed recently so not sure if this is a new bug in 5.0.3 or if it was there before.

no, its been there since version 2 as i recall. so long that i just ignore it usually, im pretty sure it doesnt come out on a render
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pbajzek · Post by **pbajzek** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:51 pm

I sometimes get a similar bug on my Mac (maybe the same thing). The first beat will begin with a little burst of static, even though it's not in the clip and everything sounds fine looping after the initial starting glitch. It happens only with certain clips, but 100% of the time with them.

The fact that it doesn't render is no consolation to me, as I'm not rendering onstage while playing live.

difference · Post by **difference** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:20 pm

fade

Where's this then? I can only find reference to it on the simpler and I'm not using that, just talking about when a clip is triggered.

If I'm just missing it, can someone let me know where to find the option?

SlowX · Post by **SlowX** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:08 pm

Yep, I have the same problem.
It's as if it needs to render itself once, and then it's fine.

And this happens even on small files, although on BIG ones the problem at least makes sense... kind of.

Mac 1.5GHz G4, 1 GB RAM, OS 10.3.9, if that matters.

Losing part of the first beat

Losing part of the first beat

me too