UnEvEn loop lengths when recording on the fly(Qntz 1 bar)
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Hi folks,
we still have the problem that we did not find a way to reproduce this behavior and therefore
we could not yet provide a fix for this problem.
Very probably we will provide some kind of special version in the next time doing a lot more traces
that should help us to find what happens there.
I would just ask for a bit of patience as most Ableton people will take vacation for the next weeks because
of the Christmas and new year. I will post when we have news on that issue.
Much more important is what kind of bug is it, how many people get it, how can it be reproduced and then how can it be fixed.
regards,
/Alex
we still have the problem that we did not find a way to reproduce this behavior and therefore
we could not yet provide a fix for this problem.
Very probably we will provide some kind of special version in the next time doing a lot more traces
that should help us to find what happens there.
I would just ask for a bit of patience as most Ableton people will take vacation for the next weeks because
of the Christmas and new year. I will post when we have news on that issue.
In the end it makes no difference who experiences a bug concerning priorities.I would hope that when a high profile user like Kid Beyond experiences a bug that Ableton would make it a priority to look into it.
Much more important is what kind of bug is it, how many people get it, how can it be reproduced and then how can it be fixed.
regards,
/Alex
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this is strange, maybe im not understanding the bug fix for 5.03 but ive just downloaded it & opened up a set i was doing in 5.02 & quite a few loops are are showing 3+ etc (on the track display pie) when i know its a 4. Moving the loop end marker away & back again seems to sort it out but sometimes i had to do this a couple of times. They appear to be looping ok by the sound of it.
Its strange as all of these loops were whole & showing as that in 5.02.
What's going on?
Its strange as all of these loops were whole & showing as that in 5.02.
What's going on?
Hi Meef Chaloin,
regards,
/Alex
That is a part of the bug fix. Because of the bug in the previous version these loops have a length of "4 beats minus 1 sample".this is strange, maybe im not understanding the bug fix for 5.03 but ive just downloaded it & opened up a set i was doing in 5.02 & quite a few loops are are showing 3+ etc (on the track display pie) when i know its a 4
If you play them a while they will go out of sync. So assuming you would have a sample rate of 44100 Hz, a 1 bar loop would be out of sync by 1 second after 44100 iterations of playing.They appear to be looping ok by the sound of it.
regards,
/Alex
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good to know, thanks
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I have experienced this problem often, and maybe I can shed some new light on the issue.
When this happens to me, it is ONLY when I am using the top note on my 73-key keyboard as a MIDI tap tempo button, and I'm tapping the beat to keep live in sync with my drummer as I am recording him into a track.
Here's how it works. My drummer starts playing a beat. I have a MIDI tap tempo button (highest note on my MIDI keyboard) that I start pressing on each of his downbeats. Once I see that live is synched up to him, I trigger a slot recording button via my FCB-1010 foot pedal, and then again to stop the recording and have that newly recorded loop start playing.
Often times (live 5.0.2, Win XP) the recorded loop will have an uneven length (3.3.3 for example) even though the quantization is set to 1 bar. This is incredibly irritating, it destroys our whole session, and it must be fixed as soon as possible.
When this happens to me, it is ONLY when I am using the top note on my 73-key keyboard as a MIDI tap tempo button, and I'm tapping the beat to keep live in sync with my drummer as I am recording him into a track.
Here's how it works. My drummer starts playing a beat. I have a MIDI tap tempo button (highest note on my MIDI keyboard) that I start pressing on each of his downbeats. Once I see that live is synched up to him, I trigger a slot recording button via my FCB-1010 foot pedal, and then again to stop the recording and have that newly recorded loop start playing.
Often times (live 5.0.2, Win XP) the recorded loop will have an uneven length (3.3.3 for example) even though the quantization is set to 1 bar. This is incredibly irritating, it destroys our whole session, and it must be fixed as soon as possible.
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try this people....
have your quantise set to 1bar
play something in audio track 1,
set another audio tracks input as 'track 1' and turn the monitoring off.
now , play something on audio track 1, and record it in the other audio track. stop recording. now, reverse the newly recorded clip. what length is it ? (point being that it will be truncated, uneven. to workaround this you need to lock the last warp marker before you reverse it...)
have your quantise set to 1bar
play something in audio track 1,
set another audio tracks input as 'track 1' and turn the monitoring off.
now , play something on audio track 1, and record it in the other audio track. stop recording. now, reverse the newly recorded clip. what length is it ? (point being that it will be truncated, uneven. to workaround this you need to lock the last warp marker before you reverse it...)
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http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
Henry & others...
That work around in a live performance situation is unacceptable..Christian and DOm (at ABe HQ) are you guys listening?
That work around in a live performance situation is unacceptable..Christian and DOm (at ABe HQ) are you guys listening?
eDrummer: Roland Vdrum kit Live 8/ MacBookPro 2.5 mhz & 2gb. Motu Ultralite.. Homemade midi-triggering pad for LIVE's filters , clips , & record buttons. Hopelessly hooked on live looping.
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so its happening to you too ? (reversing the clip and it becomes uneven)
does this mean that they basically cheated to fix this bug in the first place , forcing the clip to read as tho its even, but when you reverse it you see that it isnt ?
at any rate, its another annoyance
does this mean that they basically cheated to fix this bug in the first place , forcing the clip to read as tho its even, but when you reverse it you see that it isnt ?
at any rate, its another annoyance
free music theory
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
henry ford wrote:try this people....
have your quantise set to 1bar
play something in audio track 1,
set another audio tracks input as 'track 1' and turn the monitoring off.
now , play something on audio track 1, and record it in the other audio track. stop recording. now, reverse the newly recorded clip. what length is it ? (point being that it will be truncated, uneven. to workaround this you need to lock the last warp marker before you reverse it...)
just tested this and got the same result.
recorded an empty 4 bar audio clip,
reversed it and got 3.3.3!!!
I'm sending the .alp file to Ableton.
just when I thought it was safe to use L5.
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hehe....i couldnt be assed going through with the beta-testing procedure...and I'm finding plenty of problems here and there. tis a shame I've become the voice of dissent and no one takes me seriously
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http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
http://www.ravenspiral.com/ravenspiralguide.pdf
Aphex Twin/Square Pusher Styles Tutorial
http://www.filecabi.net/video/keyboad-Rock.html
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Orange is the color of evil!!
Last night I was working with Live and recorded some two bar audio loops. Upon recording, they showed up correctly and played correctly - 2.0.0. I decided to just use the 2nd bar of the loop and...low and behold, when I moved the loop markers to the beginning of beat 2 and the start of beat 3...the loop showed up as 0.3.3.
The interesting thing I noticed that I am not sire if anyone has pointed out in this thread is that the last number "3" was ORANGE. I was able to reproduce this fairly consistantly.
Another expirament I did was to take a two bar loop and purposely set the loop markers to 1.3.3. You could visually see that the loop wasn't complete - in other words, it looked like 1.3.3. All the numbers were black. Then, I drug the right end of the loop marker over to the end of the loop to make it two bars...and I got 1.3.3 but with the last "3" in ORANGE.
I sent all this info along with screen captures to Alex. Hopefully this will help them troubleshoot.
Orange = evil
The interesting thing I noticed that I am not sire if anyone has pointed out in this thread is that the last number "3" was ORANGE. I was able to reproduce this fairly consistantly.
Another expirament I did was to take a two bar loop and purposely set the loop markers to 1.3.3. You could visually see that the loop wasn't complete - in other words, it looked like 1.3.3. All the numbers were black. Then, I drug the right end of the loop marker over to the end of the loop to make it two bars...and I got 1.3.3 but with the last "3" in ORANGE.
I sent all this info along with screen captures to Alex. Hopefully this will help them troubleshoot.
Orange = evil
Re: Orange is the color of evil!!
This problem is getting really annoying ... doesn't matter if I'm cutting live quantised loops in Session View from incoming inputs (e.g. microphones, synths, electribes) or even resampling from one channel into another with Resampling as the input.
I'm using a Yamaha 01X.
Could this be the 01X's ASIO driver (MLan tools driver 1.5.4) input/output latency being reported as different. For a while this was a cause of misalignment problems with Cubase SX3.02 and Nuendo 3.02 ..
I was hoping L5.03 would rectify this but alas no ...
REALLY hoping it is sorted in L5.04 (when? ... :] .... )
Cheers
I'm using a Yamaha 01X.
Could this be the 01X's ASIO driver (MLan tools driver 1.5.4) input/output latency being reported as different. For a while this was a cause of misalignment problems with Cubase SX3.02 and Nuendo 3.02 ..
I was hoping L5.03 would rectify this but alas no ...
REALLY hoping it is sorted in L5.04 (when? ... :] .... )
Cheers
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Hi
I am also having a problem with loop recording cutting off before the quantise setting says it should. In my case, it is when I either disarm or unmonitor the track, in preparation for recording / monitoring the next track. It is more fully described in the topic
Please use rounding for un-arming tracks
in the features wishlist section.
Does this sound like it relates to the problems you guys are describing?
Very frustrating anyway, because in many senses Live rocks. I am a trial user of Live 6, and if this issue was fixed, I would be down the shop tomorrow to buy, and on stage pretty soon I reckon.
I'm using an 01X too, but I don't see how the arming / monitoring state would be affected by hardware sync - in all other areas sync seems AOK.
Cheers, Tim
I am also having a problem with loop recording cutting off before the quantise setting says it should. In my case, it is when I either disarm or unmonitor the track, in preparation for recording / monitoring the next track. It is more fully described in the topic
Please use rounding for un-arming tracks
in the features wishlist section.
Does this sound like it relates to the problems you guys are describing?
Very frustrating anyway, because in many senses Live rocks. I am a trial user of Live 6, and if this issue was fixed, I would be down the shop tomorrow to buy, and on stage pretty soon I reckon.
I'm using an 01X too, but I don't see how the arming / monitoring state would be affected by hardware sync - in all other areas sync seems AOK.
Cheers, Tim