live (and most other programs) become unusable in os x

blamethesun · Post by **blamethesun** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:32 pm

i keep getting these kernel errors that seem to occur at sub-random times in a slew of different programs, and for some, it's become rather crippling. i've read about people have these problems since the early days of osx, but is there a way to fix this? it seems to be some sort of epidemic that apple refuses to recognize or something. anyway, i don't know what to do, except maybe reformat, if that will even help this issue. has anyone experienced this problem or anything similar?

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:48 pm

blamethesun wrote:i keep getting these kernel errors that seem to occur at sub-random times in a slew of different programs, and for some, it's become rather crippling. i've read about people have these problems since the early days of osx, but is there a way to fix this? it seems to be some sort of epidemic that apple refuses to recognize or something. anyway, i don't know what to do, except maybe reformat, if that will even help this issue. has anyone experienced this problem or anything similar?

Do you mind listing your system specs? Including your operating system, amount/brand of ram, soundcard and driver version. I am no guru but this will better enable people to help you.

Also, what programs are being effected? What can you tell us to further isolate the problem:

This problem occurs only when I switch on my soundcard
This problem usually occurrs when running apps x y and z, but not when running apps a b and c
This problem only occurs on audio apps

Also, do you repair permissions regularly? Have you run disk repair? Both of these should be done using the OSX install disk that came with your computer.

Have you run a hardware test?

Etc.

I had problems like this about two years ago. Turned out the culpret was a bad install of my M-Audio Quattro drivers. Somehow I had managed to double install drivers. After driving myself crazy over this problem, crashing once in a live situation, multiple erase/installs, I removed everything having to do with m-audio from my machine and re-installed the most up-to-date drivers one by one and the problem was solved.

Also, try posting your problem at osx audio.

ishimaru · Post by **ishimaru** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:49 pm

Lets see ...

Dual 1.25 GHz G4 OSX 10.4.4 and latest version of Live 5.

My system is perfect. No problems here. Maybe you should update your OS?

blamethesun · Post by **blamethesun** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:57 pm

hm, thanks for the suggestions

i have the newest version of osx and an ibook that i got 3 months ago, it has a gig of ram, and it seems to happen on mostly audio apps, but some other ones as well
it first started happening with max/msp. one day i COULD NOT run the max/msp runtime anymore, everytime i tried to open a patch, msp would crash with KERN RUNTIME ERROR, so eventually i gave up on max/msp. :-[

blamethesun · Post by **blamethesun** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:35 pm

hey i just realized its when i'm running a pluggo AU in live most of the time, hm

could it be something to do with the max/msp/pluggo runtime? does anyone know what audio drivers come with an iBook. I could try to find newer ones or reinstall

forgie · Post by **forgie** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:26 am

Something happening at that level would require something seriously intrusive to fuck with your OSX installation.... I'd try unsinstalling all of your Max/MSP thingys (I don't know what that is, so I don't know how to uninstall it - but there's normally instructions in the installer CD/DVD/.dmg file that you used to install it in the first place).

Most problems that serious in OSX come from bad drivers or hacks - normal software generally can't cause those sorts of problems - I've certainly never seen or heard of such a problem.

netchaiev · Post by **netchaiev** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:09 pm

A friend and I can't run any pluggo AU/vst in Live... Crash everytime.

studio615 · Post by **studio615** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:51 pm

Pluggo Au/Vst's run fine for me in live 5.03 and DP4.61. I have no issues in 10.4.4. I really don't think it is an OSX problem on your end, it probably has to do with a conflict between certain drivers and software you have. Sorry that I'm not much help.

klarky · Post by **klarky** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:27 pm

RUNTIME ERROR

i had this a few times on my pc, turned out it was quicktime, try uninstalling/reinstalling quicktime.

i uninstalled it and live booted fine (it would crash on logo screen) and when i reinstalled it (damn you apple and HAVING to install itunes just to get quicktime - say what you like about pc's but ill never use a mac and this pissed me off even more!! ok i know loads of software places do it too, just appled annoyed me that day)

blamethesun · Post by **blamethesun** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:14 pm

can someone hint to me as how to reinstall drivers for a mac/ibook. seems like they're hidden away somewhere. i wouldnt know where to start.

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:28 pm

my friend has pluggo and some of them crash live on him

my wife has a 1 ghz ibook g4 at work..which was getting kernel panic's all the time

turned out to be the logic board on the computer

(it was crashing all the time tho..didn't ever do audio)

drush · Post by **drush** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:50 pm

make sure that your airport card is properly seated
they can often be seated enough to still work but unseated enough to cause frequent panics. same goes for RAM, although with that one your computer is less likely to run at all.

pepezabala · Post by **pepezabala** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:21 pm

If you get KERNEL PANIK and really bad osx-blue-screens,
like this one:

bring your ibook to the apple store and ask them for a new one. I did only half a year after warranty had finished and ended up paying for a new one.

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:31 am

you can add applecare anytime within 2 years after you buy your mac

kenn michael · Post by **kenn michael** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:48 pm

kernel panics ALWAYS have to do with some hardware conflict. software itself cannot cause kernel panics. if the software is buggy, the program will just crash (disappear)... if you have a buggy audio card driver, etc... this would cause kernel panics.

it could possibly be a bad RAM stick that is causing your kernel errors. or, could be a bad motherboard/cpu. definitely take it into an Apple store to get checked out.

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