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Are you willing to cooperate and stop buying fuel from Exxon/Mobil?

Yes, consider me "on board".
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25%
This is stupid and it won't work.
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58%
I have no problem paying the current gas prices.
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17%
 
Total votes: 48

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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:06 pm

FWIW.

San Francisco Becomes First U.S. City to Pass Peak Oil Resolution

Campaign by Local Activists Persuaded Board of Supervisors of Looming Energy Crunch; Landmark Initiative Urges Development of ‘Action and Response Plan’

San Francisco, CA (PRWEB) April 14, 2006 -- San Francisco on Tuesday became the first U.S. city to pass a resolution acknowledging the threats posed by peak oil, urging the city to develop a comprehensive plan to respond to the emerging global energy crunch.

The resolution (http://www.sfbayoil.org/sfoa/media/SFOA ... lution.pdf) which won unanimous support by the Board of Supervisors was sponsored by Supervisors Ross Mirkarimi, Jake McGoldrick, Sophie Maxwell and Chris Daly. It cites an influential study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Energy, known as the Hirsch Report (http://www.mnforsustain.org/oil_peaking ... hirsch.htm), which raises concerns about the nation’s ability to avert a major crisis from the peak and decline of oil production.

The measure comes on the heels of an increasingly effective grass roots campaign by groups such as San Francisco Oil Awareness, Post Carbon San Francisco, and SF Informatics, who have sponsored mailings and meetings targeting Bay Area elected officials for more than two years. San Francisco has been making strides in the area of energy independence, energy watchdogs have reported. According to a year-long study by Sustainlane.com using over 600 data points, San Francisco is the city third best able to cope with an energy crisis.

Michael Poremba, spokesman for SF Informatics, congratulated the Supervisors on their action Tuesday. “We are thrilled to see the city finally acknowledging the peak oil issue,” Poremba said. “Our society runs on oil, our economy runs on oil, and farsighted local governments should begin planning now--indeed years ago--for an era of declining supplies, because that era is starting now.”

Citizen’s group San Francisco Oil Awareness played a key role in bringing the idea of a resolution in front of city officials. Members of the group, including Jennifer Bresee, Allyse Hartwell, Dennis Brumm and David Fridley, formed a committee promoting a draft resolution discussing the issue with officials on the Board and at other venues.

Local peak oil activists have been gaining wider recognition in recent months as the topic has gained traction in the media and in the U.S. Congress, where Congressman Roscoe Bartlett introduced the first-ever “peak oil resolution” and formed a caucus to study the issue. Members of the SF Post Carbon group were featured in a recent article in Salon.com http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/ ... ex_np.html surveying the growing movement.

Among the high-visibility tools used by the groups is a colorful poster called The Oil Age, created by SF Informatics in association with Global Public Media. The poster traces the history of oil production worldwide and displays relevant energy statistics from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, BP Statistical Review and other industry sources. The poster was hand delivered to dozens of Bay Area elected officials in January, including the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, The Department on the Environment and the Commission on the Environment.

“The poster is a great way to open up city officials’ doors,” said David Fridley, a scientist with the Lawrence Berkeley Lab and a member of San Francisco Oil Awareness. “It’s a very effective passport into the halls of power because of its polished and professional quality.” Co-member Jennifer Bresee agrees, “Plunking down this poster in front of a supervisor is a lot more effective than trying to explain it in words alone,” she says.

Copies of The Oil Age poster can be purchased at www.oilposter.org. To date, over 1,600 posters have been donated to teachers worldwide. And thanks to Congressman Roscoe Bartlett, the poster has been distributed to every member of the U.S. Congress.

PDF of San Francisco’s Peak Oil Resolution available at: http://www.sfbayoil.org/sfoa/media/SFOA ... lution.pdf

Robert L. Hirsch, R. Bezdek, R. Wendling, Peaking of World Oil Production: Impacts, Mitigation, & Risk Management, February 2005 (http://www.mnforsustain.org/oil_peaking ... hirsch.htm).

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About SF Informatics
SF Informatics represents a group of concerned citizens committed to researching and communicating critical ecological and societal trends worldwide. For more information: e-mail protected from spam bots. Poster ordering or donation information: http://www.oilposter.org.

About San Francisco Oil Awareness
San Francisco Oil Awareness works to raise awareness of the Peak Oil predicament with elected officials, neighbors, and friends. The group offers a framework for those who want to begin the difficult work of transforming our society to achieve as graceful a "Power Down" as possible. For more information http://www.sfbayoil.org/sfoa/index.html.

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Post by computo » Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:54 pm

poor suckers....

Maybe the california politicos will one day get over themselves, and actually DO something for the state of California...

Other than passing more laws than all the other states combined, that is!

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Post by rentanutta » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:11 pm

dubstyle5000 wrote:It seems pretty obvious this topic wasn't intended for you, but I appreciate your concern. Gas prices aren't a major issue for countries like the UK who's entire span would fit inside the state I live in.
I would like to point out that for the UK Gas prices are a major issue. just like all other places, this definately isnt an america only issue.
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Post by blogGreen88 » Mon May 01, 2006 5:44 am

Are you talking about motorhomes or something else?! Umm. There is a good page for motorhomes perhaps!
Also,you can find some other content on it,such as website design or canon ink or education online.
You can search on the homepage try some other keywords,no ads even.these page updated every day.Because of the huge database,it perhaps not very fast,if you don't like it,take it easy.

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Post by markoos » Mon May 01, 2006 6:55 pm

thanks for the links, Deadly

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Re: Fueling the off topic flamewar...

Post by Meef Chaloin » Wed May 03, 2006 8:49 am

rasputin wrote:s far as I know the US hasn't made it an official government policy that another country should be annhilated (as Iran has said of Israel.)
lol :lol: no they just keep it hidden instead, much better that way :roll:
ask someone from the many countries they have fuct up if they think that's their policy...

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Post by boatie » Wed May 03, 2006 10:40 pm

if gas prices carry on going up eventually the number of people who can afford to drive will go down.... its the perfect capitalist solution, market forces at work.

then it will become unfashionable to be seen driving as you will appear to be an uncaring bastard. then the 10 planet earths we would need if everybody behaved like the average american resident might drop to the 0.5 planet earths we would need if we behaved like the average African resident.

so maybe you should campaign for gas prices to go up?

the reason gas is cheap now (and it is) is because the (3rd) world is getting fucked over by $corp$. which ever one you choose to do your business with doesnt really matter...avoid them all!

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Post by Machinate » Wed May 03, 2006 10:55 pm

how much is gas where you live? In denmark the current price is around 1.44 euro for a litre of unleaded 98 octane. A litre, mind you.
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Re: Fueling the off topic flamewar...

Post by rapidix » Thu May 04, 2006 1:21 am

Meef Chaloin wrote:
rasputin wrote:s far as I know the US hasn't made it an official government policy that another country should be annhilated (as Iran has said of Israel.)
lol :lol: no they just keep it hidden instead, much better that way :roll:
ask someone from the many countries they have fuct up if they think that's their policy...

and Iran didn't say annihilate. just to clarify. and also we basically told Iran the same thing except in diplomatic terms.

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Post by rapidix » Thu May 04, 2006 1:23 am

Machinate wrote:how much is gas where you live? In denmark the current price is around 1.44 euro for a litre of unleaded 98 octane. A litre, mind you.
sorry, my lazy, american ignorance is going to make me ask to you convert this to dollars and gallons, please.
:wink:

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Post by skunkworks » Thu May 04, 2006 7:19 am

i wonder how much energy this thread of 114 (now 115) posts has consumed :P

ps i didnt read pages 2-7 to conserve energy 8)
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Post by wilxon » Thu May 04, 2006 9:24 am

dubstyle5000 wrote:It seems pretty obvious this topic wasn't intended for you, but I appreciate your concern. Gas prices aren't a major issue for countries like the UK who's entire span would fit inside the state I live in.
I strongly disagree with every thing that you are saying.

The UK Doesnt get effected because all the people would fit in your state.

There is 67 million people here who have to pay £4.30 a gallon which is equal to $7.82, which is about to go up because AMERICA has too many TRUCKS that drink fuel like fish in water, who are buying up all of the european oil at a premium price.


This is why your fuel prices are going up, and its why our fuel prices are going up.

It is the same story across europe, austrailia, far east, etc etc. Not buying from mobil or exxon will make no difference, will only bankrupt these companies.

The fact is, there is not a lot of oil left, and soon there will be none.

1 thing is for sure - before it does run out, the prices will be a lot more than they are now.

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Post by wilxon » Thu May 04, 2006 9:27 am

rapidix wrote:
Machinate wrote:how much is gas where you live? In denmark the current price is around 1.44 euro for a litre of unleaded 98 octane. A litre, mind you.
sorry, my lazy, american ignorance is going to make me ask to you convert this to dollars and gallons, please.
:wink:
i think that is 1 gallon = EU648 = $8.15USD

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Post by boatie » Thu May 04, 2006 10:29 pm

skunkworks wrote:i wonder how much energy this thread of 114 (now 115) posts has consumed :P

ps i didnt read pages 2-7 to conserve energy 8)

I cant believe you spent the energy on inserting those emoticons. I'm so green I'm not even going to finish this se

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