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Post by Kodama » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:01 pm

djadonis206 wrote:Saddam Hussein is wasn't very nice to kids I was told or his dogs <-- as*hole!
Yeah and he was put into power by the USA, so consider that.


There is no war on terror, there is only a war on truth and most of all a war on the remaining power of the weak.

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Post by djadonis206 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:03 pm

Kodama wrote:

There is no war on terror, there is only a war on truth and most of all a war on the remaining power of the weak.

Blech.............................
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Post by Kodama » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:04 pm

djadonis206 wrote:
Kodama wrote:
djadonis206 wrote: He's done that himself? Or is this a rip on the war?

The wars and the economic, ecological, and social harm he has done to the world, but he probably has a torture chamber unde the whitehouse also.
In that same vain would you say some of the abe's grandfathers uncles or relatives killed and mammed tens of thousands of kids?

took place some time in the 40's, led by a guy named, oh I forgot his name...someone help me out here
Yes, it's all questionable, and we SHOULD question history.
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Post by glu » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:08 pm

I wrote a paper on the death penalty back in 99, so bear with my memory here. At that time, Harvard released a study that indicated 1/6 people on Death Row were innocent. Also, the cost of lethal injection was more expensive than a life sentence residence for most of these prisoners.

To use Christianity (or any religion) to justify taking life is an ancient addiction, something I hope becomes extinct before we are. I live in Texas, where Bush won the record for the most executions in U.S. history. According to statistics, George Bush has executed 9 innocent people. IS this the same mentality that believes we should go to war, even at the expense of many civilians' lives?

Come on folks, lets get off using the bible to enforce death! If you want to justify taking lives, you should go scientific with it, our world is overpopulating at a dangerous rate. At least there would be some credibility to the argument. Besides, Jesus was a peaceful fellow. I don't think he really wanted anyone to be sentenced to die... Hello, this is how he died anyways right? I guess he was the 1 in 6... I hope he does come back and get violent,at least to bitchslap anyone who twists messages of peace into justification for violence. Fucking sick... :roll:
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Post by Kodama » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:10 pm

djadonis206 wrote: Well in my eyes there's a big difference between my dogs and a cow or chicken raised to be slaughtered

but sure if you want to say I was full of shit I have no problem with that.

But I'm not going to adopt a chicken as a pet or eat my dogs for dinner tonight

Honestly, a pig is as smart and has as much personality as most dogs.

In my experience, the end, once the facts are explored, I can tell you that the final and only denfense a moral person has on this subject is "but i like meat".

Saying it's ok to hang an animal by it's hind legs and skin it and wrend it from limb to limb while it's still alive and kicking and screaming because it was bred for it?

History is full of people that think other races or species were bred for something useful to them.

Being probably the only vegan on this forum, I'm not wasting my time or spinning my wheels on it though, and it seems like now you just want to belittle me, even on subjects which we may agree.
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Post by Zerobae » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:15 pm

glu wrote:According to statistics, George Bush has executed 9 innocent people. IS this the same mentality that believes we should go to war, even at the expense of many civilians' lives?
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Post by jackmazzotti » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:16 pm

DeadlyKungFu wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:led by a guy named, oh I forgot his name...someone help me out here
Godwin??


Regarding being pro life to "protect the little children"
Abortions will happen whether they are legal or not. How about protecting people (especially pregnant children seeking an abortion) by legalising the practice, training doctors in safe, sterile abortions, providing counseling before/after the decision and offering adoption options.


It's not like there's a single answer for everyone or any of us are going to change our views on these major topics because of an online forum.
guess what ghouls do with abortions
sell the parts

General Ishii would be proud

what does daddy do for work mommy?
he rips apart unborn humans in their mothers bellies and the sells the parts

I also believe in Hell too!

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Post by djadonis206 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:19 pm

Kodama wrote:
djadonis206 wrote: Well in my eyes there's a big difference between my dogs and a cow or chicken raised to be slaughtered

but sure if you want to say I was full of shit I have no problem with that.

But I'm not going to adopt a chicken as a pet or eat my dogs for dinner tonight

Honestly, a pig is as smart and has as much personality as most dogs.

In my experience, the end, once the facts are explored, I can tell you that the final and only denfense a moral person has on this subject is "but i like meat".

Saying it's ok to hang an animal by it's hind legs and skin it and wrend it from limb to limb while it's still alive and kicking and screaming because it was bred for it?

History is full of people that think other races or species were bred for something useful to them.

Being probably the only vegan on this forum, I'm not wasting my time or spinning my wheels on it though, and it seems like now you just want to belittle me, even on subjects which we may agree.
Take what I say with a grain of salt - however, I can't argue with a vegan on Animal rights or cruelty

I like meat yes - can't say I fully agree with the way some animals are bred for food but they are

I don't want a pig as a pet, I don't even like Bacon

But when I go to the zoo or something like that, a farm if you will - I rarely see the cow as I see my little doggie

but let's take it somewhere else - if an animal is bred for food ok fine, some cultures eat dogs it's when people are Maliciously or intentionally cruel to animals - that's what I have a probelm with

The sicko's who torture animals for no other reason but to torture <-- that makes me very angry (just thinking about it grrrrr)

all kinds of animals are bred for all kinds of things in this world - from Helper dogs to hamburger helper - they all serve a purpose

but some as*hole who purposely doesn't feed his dog or beats his dog for the sake of beating it - ah man, I'm actually kind of shock up

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Post by djadonis206 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:30 pm

jackmazzotti wrote:
DeadlyKungFu wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:led by a guy named, oh I forgot his name...someone help me out here
Godwin??


Regarding being pro life to "protect the little children"
Abortions will happen whether they are legal or not. How about protecting people (especially pregnant children seeking an abortion) by legalising the practice, training doctors in safe, sterile abortions, providing counseling before/after the decision and offering adoption options.


It's not like there's a single answer for everyone or any of us are going to change our views on these major topics because of an online forum.
guess what ghouls do with abortions
sell the parts

General Ishii would be proud

what does daddy do for work mommy?
he rips apart unborn humans in their mothers bellies and the sells the parts

I also believe in Hell too!
Hey, if they're going to abort 'em might as well use 'em - just don't let all that flesh, blood and goo go to waste - look what stem cell research did for Christopher Reeve
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Post by Kodama » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:32 pm

A sentient being in the hands of a corporation will be pushed and tortured.

A human example would be slavery across the world of children and adults.

An animal example is Foxes raised for fur.

They are used to having miles upon miles of travel daily, but they are 'raised' in cages just large enough to turn around.

So that's all they do, they spin around and go crazy and their brain rots and they start eating their own limbs out of stress.

The only 'merciful' thing that happens in their lives is whe they are anally electrocuted - fried from the inside out to protect the fur.

This same role is played out over and over again, bears and elephants in circuses go insane.

A duck bred for it's liver is still not good enough, so it's force fed by ramming a tube down it's throat until it's liver explodes.

Horses are forced to take drugs to produce large amounts of urine 24/7 to make drugs that can be produced by other means.

Cats and dogs are still shot by the millitary to study bullet wounds.

It goes on, it gets worse.

If I were born a slave, my breeding would not protect me from wanting more...
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Post by DeadlyKungFu » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:39 pm

jackmazzotti wrote:
DeadlyKungFu wrote: Regarding being pro life to "protect the little children"
Abortions will happen whether they are legal or not. How about protecting people (especially pregnant children seeking an abortion) by legalising the practice, training doctors in safe, sterile abortions, providing counseling before/after the decision and offering adoption options.
guess what ghouls do with abortions
sell the parts

General Ishii would be proud

what does daddy do for work mommy?
he rips apart unborn humans in their mothers bellies and the sells the parts

I also believe in Hell too!
You're off track, I didn't expect hyperbole from you. I'm talking about a real health issue, back alley abortions. Those are the real ghouls. Flesh is just flesh, I'm MUCH more concerned what doctors do to living flesh than dead body parts. Illicit abortions are incredibly dangerous, physically and emotionally. I'm talking about providing health care, not taking it away. Of course the rich will be fine, they can fly to anywhere in the world to take care of their little secret.



Regaring your military stance:
Bush does not support our troops.
Putting US troops in harms way over a blatant lie is an atrocity. Just because we have a military doesn't mean we have to use it. Bush's diplomacy with the UN over Iraq was pathetic, even if Saddam did have WMD, Bush did not do exercise enough diplomacy to justify sending thousands of our brothers and sisters to die. Even if they don't die it's still taking a toll on their families and Bush is creating another generation of veterans. People scarred by war, mentally and physically. This is coming from a guy whom they can't even FAKE a military background while he was AWOL. The US has the best military in the world and Bush is running it into the ground just like the rest of the country. What about him revoking veteran's benefits and extending stays in Iraq??



If you really support our troops you would not support sending them into war over lies.


BTW I don't believe in heaven because I wouldn't want to go there, too many christians, sounds like hell to me. ;) (not trying to be offensive, that's just my standard retort.)
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Post by stinky » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:42 pm

Kodama wrote:A sentient being in the hands of a corporation will be pushed and tortured.

A human example would be slavery across the world of children and adults.

An animal example is Foxes raised for fur.

They are used to having miles upon miles of travel daily, but they are 'raised' in cages just large enough to turn around.

So that's all they do, they spin around and go crazy and their brain rots and they start eating their own limbs out of stress.

The only 'merciful' thing that happens in their lives is whe they are anally electrocuted - fried from the inside out to protect the fur.

This same role is played out over and over again, bears and elephants in circuses go insane.

A duck bred for it's liver is still not good enough, so it's force fed by ramming a tube down it's throat until it's liver explodes.

Horses are forced to take drugs to produce large amounts of urine 24/7 to make drugs that can be produced by other means.

Cats and dogs are still shot by the millitary to study bullet wounds.

It goes on, it gets worse.

If I were born a slave, my breeding would not protect me from wanting more...
Bravo...

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Post by djadonis206 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:46 pm

Kodama wrote:A sentient being in the hands of a corporation will be pushed and tortured.

A human example would be slavery across the world of children and adults.

An animal example is Foxes raised for fur.

They are used to having miles upon miles of travel daily, but they are 'raised' in cages just large enough to turn around.

So that's all they do, they spin around and go crazy and their brain rots and they start eating their own limbs out of stress.

The only 'merciful' thing that happens in their lives is whe they are anally electrocuted - fried from the inside out to protect the fur.

This same role is played out over and over again, bears and elephants in circuses go insane.

A duck bred for it's liver is still not good enough, so it's force fed by ramming a tube down it's throat until it's liver explodes.

Horses are forced to take drugs to produce large amounts of urine 24/7 to make drugs that can be produced by other means.

Cats and dogs are still shot by the millitary to study bullet wounds.

It goes on, it gets worse.

If I were born a slave, my breeding would not protect me from wanting more...
That all sounds aweful - but as long as it doesn't happen to these 2

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All these two need to get straight is who's sleeping on whose bed - the purple bed I got for Parker (the black lab) and Bailey has the matching bed (gold) but what are you gonna do?

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Post by Chris J » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:51 pm

jackmazzotti wrote:I also believe in Hell too!
good! 'cause with all the nazi shit you've been writing, if that really is what you're thinking, that's where you're going.

Unfortunately there is no after life hell; heaven and hell = life.

I agree that killing a child is horrible in the true sense, but stupid and irresponsible comments like "we had to strike back after 9/11" and therefore kill lots of innocent people, and KIDS -and Babies ? and babies !- and rape like all good invading soldiers do, is not making you any better.

I'm summing up mazzotti : you're an arsehole
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Post by djadonis206 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:52 pm

Chris J wrote:
good! 'cause with all the nazi shit you've been writing
You called someone a Nazi on a German website - hmmm the irony
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