Plogue Bidule. Someone help :)

George · Post by **George** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:57 am

Hi,

I am trying to get Plogue to send the audio from my Arturia CS8000 to Live but I cant get a thing happening. I have been trying to figure out this Plogue thing for about 3 days and I really dont get it??. I get it (sort of) as a standalone unit but am rather stumped when using it with Live or cubase??

Could someone explain to me in layman terms what exactly Plogue is for and how you connect it. I would rather have it in slave mode but again I get nothing happening here.

Casn one do a tune in Plogue? I cant see how one coul ddo an arrangement? Am I missing something?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as Im desperate to find a way of getting audio that I create in to Live.

Thanks
George

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:56 am

you know how to set up plogue to play in stand alone mode right?
well set up your intrument in plogue how you want it to play, then save it as a template., then close bidule.

now open Live.
choose the track that you want to record on
choose plogue in the drop down menu
highlight the microphone icon under the speaker and solo icons
bring the level of the fader on that track down to a reasonable level
now minimize live. but do not close it.

open plougue bidule
load up your template file
now it should say rewire on the bidule screen
click on the audio icon button in bidule making it turn green from red
if its already green then you're good to go, you should be able to hear what you are playing in bidule through Live.

Kerrydan · Post by **Kerrydan** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:40 pm

Check out a tutorial here for the same thing that the guest just described, but with screenshots:
http://www.mts.net/~mathers/q1_rewire.html

Bidule is not your auntie's sequencer... it's a modular audio environment, more akin to Reaktor or Max/MSP than it is to Cubase or Logic.

In Bidule, you're not limited by tracks or busses or mixers with sends and inserts and pre-defined routing. Instead, -you- decide where you want the audio to go, and what you want to do to it... Bidule is not really for sequencing linear tracks, but rather for composing and recording audio as you go along, experimentally.

Which is why it's such a good complement to Live. Use Live for your sequencing and song-writing, and use Bidule via ReWire for those magic tricks that can't be found in Live. (Like playing VST instruments).

Hope this helps,

-K

funkmaster · Post by **funkmaster** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:37 am

Hi Kerrydan,
I am using Plogue for rewiring some NI-stuff (e.g., Reaktor Session, Absynth 2 etc) together with Live. So far, everything works according to the description in your link, except that the NI-instruments don´t sync to Live´s tempo. Is there any trick to get rid of this, or is this a NI-problem or a Plogue-problem?

Regards Ralf

Kerrydan · Post by **Kerrydan** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:28 pm

Hi Ralf,

What exactly happens when you try to sync the NI plugins to Live? They just don't sync? They won't play at all?

What do you have the ASIO buffer size set to in the Live prefs? In certain cases, Bidule ReWire seems to like only working with other hosts operating with buffers of a size that is a power of 2 (128, 256, 512, etc.). Try setting the Audio prefs in Live to a buffer size of 256 or 512, and see what happens to the sync then.

If that doesn't work, go into the Bidule Preferences, and try the alternate ReWire bridge. That might clear things up as well.
Also, which versions of Reaktor Session and Absynth are you using?

-K

funkmaster · Post by **funkmaster** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:32 am

Hi Kerrydan,
I am working with Absynth 2.04 and Reaktor Session 1.04.003 (so, the latest versions respectively). After starting Live as rewire master and Bidule as slave, I can play the VSTis from my keyboard (M-Audio Radium 61), but the plugs don´t receive any tempo or sync information from Live. Changing the tempo in live has no effect on the VSTis. The ASIO buffer size doesn´t matter, I usually work with 256 but I have tried other buffer sizes with no effect, too. Changing the rewire bridge in Bidule also doesn´t help. Perhaps the following information might be useful: After enabling "playing" in Bidule with Absynth 2.04 as VSTi, a sentence appears in the lower left bar of the Bidule window stating that: "Absynth 2.04 wants VST time info, but no cando". Any ideas?

Thanks and best regards
Ralf

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:43 pm

Bidule doesn't automatically sync VSTs/VSTis to the tempo since you
can have multiple tempos going on, to do so you should
select Absynth or Reaktor Sessions (so it become highlighted) in the
patchbay, then bring up the contextual menu (right-click or ctrl-click on mac
with one button mouse), go to the "Sync To" entry and then select
the "Bidule ReWire" entry, the plugin should then follow the tempo
from Live.

funkmaster · Post by **funkmaster** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:19 pm

Hi Guest,
that was the solution, everything works fine.

Thanks and best regards
Ralf