mackie control - tell me how good it is

queglay · Post by **queglay** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:44 am

thanks for all that info guys! i must say im almost sold on this one.

how would you get the lemur to work as a sequencer in live like the schaltwerk unit i've been asking questions about in this thread - http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 682#329682

would you have to use something like reaktor? or are they thinking of including a sequencer button and velocity knob interface in live 6, so that you could map the lemur to these sequencer buttons.

now that would be handy. id hate to have to use reaktor over impulse.

ok some more questions about the lemur (i know i just dont stop asking questions do I. still, i dont want to part with $3000AU very easily)

-do any of you guys know of any competition to the lemur on the horizon?
-i wonder what the next hardware release will do and when it will happen?
-can you have all those parameter names and values fedback through the lcd for each knob and button as you would on the mackie?

-I've never used anything with automap features before. if you drop say, an eq or a filter on any channel, how would the automapping work for that if your using the mackie emulation on the lemur?

thanks again. jeez i think i really cant wait for this one. i bought a little remote le midi controller for travel before i left australia and now im in the middle east. thing is, the board got fried on it the other day so i cant make any tunes. grrr.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:07 am

queglay wrote:-do any of you guys know of any competition to the lemur on the horizon?

With regards to the hardware, there are several recent patents that adress multi-touch screens.

Lemur will have the head start on this technology, but if you want to be serious about things, now is a VERY good time to be investing in learning max/msp so that one's own, unique needs can be met subjectively, and thoroughly. This is why I passed on the Lemur. That and its retarded price tag.

BoimB son of BoB · Post by **BoimB son of BoB** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:23 am

Dr. Zoiberg wrote:
BoimB son of BoB wrote:i just bought a Behringer BCF2000 and a BCR2000. basicly this is a mackie control with C4 extension.

and than i also still have the uc33e.

i read some threads about Mackie emulation too. now thats a deal.

with a combination like that... and its a fraction of the price of the mackie.

Mackie is just way to expensive...come on we are taking simple midicontrollers here!
I have a BCF2000 as well... basicly, it works, but it's nothing like the Mackie control.
The faders on the mackie are touch sensitive and the most accurate I've ever tried.
Then you have the display, a jog wheel, transport and tons of buttons and leds - with the mackie control you could throw your computer keyboard.

For me the mackie control is the perfect studio companion, but I bring the bcf2000 on stage.

yeah, sure, but together with the BCR2000 i have more or less the same for 1/6th the price of a mackie universal and c4. also i have an uc33e too. the way i see it: price is way too high and those advantages you get with the mackie just do not justify it

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:07 am

I know the bcr has been discussed but you are all aware that you can have a jog wheel on it too right? and clip triggers and track select and plugin select and scene triggering can all be done using mackie emulation. open tools, open clip view, arm track record, mute, solo, all of that I can do with my current bcr preset. the only thing it lacks is display and some sensativity.

axou · Post by **axou** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:25 am

LOFA wrote: Lemur will have the head start on this technology, but if you want to be serious about things, now is a VERY good time to be investing in learning max/msp so that one's own, unique needs can be met subjectively, and thoroughly. This is why I passed on the Lemur.

??
How is Max an alternative to a hardware controller !? If anything, they complement each other as Max/MSP is OSC compatible and one the Lemur's best friends.

axou · Post by **axou** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:27 am

queglay wrote:thanks for all that info guys! i must say im almost sold on this one.

how would you get the lemur to work as a sequencer in live like the schaltwerk unit i've been asking questions about in this thread - http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 682#329682

would you have to use something like reaktor? or are they thinking of including a sequencer button and velocity knob interface in live 6, so that you could map the lemur to these sequencer buttons.

now that would be handy. id hate to have to use reaktor over impulse.

ok some more questions about the lemur (i know i just dont stop asking questions do I. still, i dont want to part with $3000AU very easily)

-do any of you guys know of any competition to the lemur on the horizon?
-i wonder what the next hardware release will do and when it will happen?
-can you have all those parameter names and values fedback through the lcd for each knob and button as you would on the mackie?

-I've never used anything with automap features before. if you drop say, an eq or a filter on any channel, how would the automapping work for that if your using the mackie emulation on the lemur?

thanks again. jeez i think i really cant wait for this one. i bought a little remote le midi controller for travel before i left australia and now im in the middle east. thing is, the board got fried on it the other day so i cant make any tunes. grrr.

This would be a good place if you're looking for feedback on the Lemur

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:41 pm

axou wrote:
LOFA wrote: Lemur will have the head start on this technology, but if you want to be serious about things, now is a VERY good time to be investing in learning max/msp so that one's own, unique needs can be met subjectively, and thoroughly. This is why I passed on the Lemur.
??
How is Max an alternative to a hardware controller !? If anything, they complement each other as Max/MSP is OSC compatible and one the Lemur's best friends.

agreed, infact the best way to go about things would be to get the lemur and maxmsp at the same time. ... that way you build your patches & interfaces simultaniously, as one thing. you could kind of merge the learning curves.

RE: the price, fair enough.
RE: the patents,

.....have fun waiting , then have fun endlessly gushing about whatever it is that does materialise to compete with the lemur, and then have fun not buying that either cos something else might be coming out.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:58 pm

Have SO much fun dropping all that quid on something that will be hacked and assignable to budget multi-touch screens in a year.

I'm not a fan of cracked software myself, but I am sure that there will be so many open source, customizable patches that improve upon the lemur in the future (or at least wll do what I want them to do).

I for one want a multi touch screen, though not necessarilly bouncy balls.

With regards to the hardware statement? Perhaps you should reread my post?

Fuck it. I'm on holiday.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:32 pm

LOFA wrote:Have SO much fun dropping all that quid on something that will be hacked and assignable to budget multi-touch screens in a year.

I'm not a fan of cracked software myself, but I am sure that there will be so many open source, customizable patches that improve upon the lemur in the future (or at least wll do what I want them to do).

I for one want a multi touch screen, though not necessarilly bouncy balls.

With regards to the hardware statement? Perhaps you should reread my post?

Fuck it. I'm on holiday.

ha.
time will tell, old bean.
like I said - have fun waiting/gushing/notbuying/waiting/gushing/notbuying , I get a kick out of your existential gush-fests.

someone can pay the beans now (or even months ago when you were all FOR the lemur) and start using their multi-touch interface to make their own sequencers and so on - and in a years time IF something comes out cheaper, so what...how much cheaper could it be....$500 ? ..$1000 ?.....time is more precious then money man, you should know that.

axou · Post by **axou** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:31 pm

LOFA wrote:Have SO much fun dropping all that quid on something that will be hacked and assignable to budget multi-touch screens in a year.

I'm not a fan of cracked software myself, but I am sure that there will be so many open source, customizable patches that improve upon the lemur in the future (or at least wll do what I want them to do).

That's where you're losing me, though that might be the language barrier (not native english). Are you saying that open source software will compete with the Lemur ? Or that the Lemur will be improved with open-source software ?

I for one want a multi touch screen, though not necessarilly bouncy balls.

With regards to the hardware statement? Perhaps you should reread my post?

Fuck it. I'm on holiday.

Take it easy? What did I get wrong in your post ? Or was that directed to bOunce ?

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:50 pm

ya, he was talkin to me.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:51 am

axou wrote:That's where you're losing me, though that might be the language barrier (not native english). Are you saying that open source software will compete with the Lemur ? Or that the Lemur will be improved with open-source software ?

I think people will take the Lemur software an "appropriate" like they did with the mackie protocol, and that others will create similiar various other softwares that will be open source if not just more editable. These are predictions.

axou wrote: I for one want a multi touch screen, though not necessarilly bouncy balls.

With regards to the hardware statement? Perhaps you should reread my post?

These will run with significantly cheaper hardware solutions that will probably be able to support or emulate the Lemur operating system. Again, these are predictions.

axou wrote:Take it easy? What did I get wrong in your post ? Or was that directed to bOunce ?

Yeah, I'm sorry- that was totally directed to bOunce. Second languages are difficult. Perhaps I should try to be clearer on this forum in general and go off on less tirades. Your questions are imo (in my opinion) valid and I really wanted to buy a Lemur for a while but I am going to be far too busy with what I already have on my plate for the next 6 months or so, so I will gladly wait the whole year I estimate it will take for a cheaper solution.

b0unce wrote:ha.
time will tell, old bean.
like I said - have fun waiting/gushing/notbuying/waiting/gushing/notbuying , I get a kick out of your existential gush-fests.

someone can pay the beans now (or even months ago when you were all FOR the lemur) and start using their multi-touch interface to make their own sequencers and so on - and in a years time IF something comes out cheaper, so what...how much cheaper could it be....$500 ? ..$1000 ?.....time is more precious then money man, you should know that.

I totally feel you on the time is more precious than money biz. I Just spent some change this weekend and had a great f'n time!

I've actually been waiting for someone to call me on the whole waiting/gushing/notbuying/waiting/gushing/notbuying business, but then I do own everything in my sig, and the only two devices that I have held off on Lemur and a Macbook really have been put off for imo valid reasons. I have an early G5 and it buzzes like a fridge. It's not unlike a detuned radio. Since the tech is moving hot and peoples laps are burning, I hold off on them. With regards to the Lemur: I will not be able to determine if I want one until I have more time to mess with some of lives new racks and macro features. The bouncy ball design seems awesome and potentially capable of some interesting interactive performance stunts, but still, my spider sense says to wait, if not just to provoke jazz mutant to improve their software features and editability.

axou · Post by **axou** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:40 pm

LOFA wrote:I have an early G5 and it buzzes like a fridge. It's not unlike a detuned radio.

Was about to complete the quote until I read the second sentence

KU · Post by KU » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:47 am

BoimB son of BoB wrote:i just bought a Behringer BCF2000 and a BCR2000. basicly this is a mackie control with C4 extension.

I was DEEP into the BCR2000 mackie control experience with the onscreen feedback program and everything. it was definately cool.... but not anywhere near as cool as a real mackie control!

having the feedback on the device is sweet. I picked mine up used for less than $500

queglay · Post by **queglay** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:37 pm

well i made up my mind and just paid for a lemur. cant wait to get into it!