ot, children of men

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:33 am

What is this gwb of the future crap?

I mean seriously, go back through all 42 presidents and it's all the same.....which is the same as other countries....which is the same as it has always been.

People are the problem. We just love to buck the system, cause pain for others, feel good about other people's pain, want it for ourselves....on and on. Yes, doomsday-er here.....

It's just a movie, but it makes me think......what's really important? Honor and priorities seems to be what's important. If you forget about religion as absolute, seems some of the ten commandments are just common sense,

don't kill
don't steal
don't fuck around
etc......

Ok, again.....getting to involved.......

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:27 am

davec1 wrote:someone mentioned very realistic violence, referring mostly to the end of the movie.

That was another aspect that stood out for me a lot. there's untra-brutal movies with chainsaws and whatnot and the violence doesn't affect me. in children of men however it all seems so viscerally real. a motorbike crashing into a car gave me a much bigger flinching "ouch" effect than a hundred spectacular car explosions.

It just all looked so frigging real it was very impressive (which I think can be partly attributed to hollywood conventions being ignored: no, car crashes don't inevitably lead to a huge explosion. etc.)

+1

as an artist I was overwhelmed by the set design.

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:41 am

LOFA wrote:
davec1 wrote:someone mentioned very realistic violence, referring mostly to the end of the movie.

That was another aspect that stood out for me a lot. there's untra-brutal movies with chainsaws and whatnot and the violence doesn't affect me. in children of men however it all seems so viscerally real. a motorbike crashing into a car gave me a much bigger flinching "ouch" effect than a hundred spectacular car explosions.

It just all looked so frigging real it was very impressive (which I think can be partly attributed to hollywood conventions being ignored: no, car crashes don't inevitably lead to a huge explosion. etc.)
+1

as an artist I was overwhelmed by the set design.

+1 which is why I started this thread and why I was so depressed. Without giving anything away, I can relate specifically to what you are saying ( the motorcycle, which was a combo laugh/"get em/and pure sadness all roled up into one....) and it all was "so real"..........

That was friday, US pacific.......I'm still thinking about it......

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:43 am

Children of Men rocked my world!

SEE IT!!!

BTW that urban warfare one-shot sequence at the end is over 8 minutes long. I read somewhere they rehearsed it for 2 weeks before rolling film.

My favourite movie of 2006.

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:57 am

well, that would be 2007.......wouldn't it?

Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:20 am

I saw it in 2006, so...

But I thought it was one of the best films I've seen, ever.

(oh and GO SEE IT!!!)

eyeknow · Post by **eyeknow** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:27 pm

Ok, me confused.......it just opened friday here.........

what....was that some kinda sneak peak thing?

Oh, and the web site for it is really cool!

genshi · Post by **genshi** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:51 pm

LOFA wrote:
subbasshead wrote:humans will inevitably become extinct at some stage
but it'll more likely be at the hands of the George W Bush of the future
rather than infertility...
I am not a supporter of GW in any way, but I (and I don't mean this specifically to you) am extremely worried by how so many people attribute the overall horrible condition of the world to one less than mediocre leader.

I just finished watching this movie myself. It inspired me greatly. It was the kick in the ass I needed to start working on my own activist art and projects. One thing that I was really impressed by was the fact that the British were portraid in very fascist manner. This was effctive to me because it emphasized that people in general abuse their power, though it is dicey to delegate whom has the eventual right to it.

There is no need to generalize about how horrible americans are either (I am not saying that you did ) yet much of the world seems to attribute both our success and our leaders actions with us. Many of us are just as fed up but do not have the freedom to speak under the safety blanket of non-us-citizenship nor great geographic distance. Having said that, I will reiterate that I am not nearly as radical/anti-bush as the bulk of young educated liberals in my town. The arrogant generalizations I hear from them have chased me to study politics on my own through universites and focus on more interesting things like books on C++.

Human nature is not recquired to adhere instictively (imo) to social norms, and there has never been a society (except perhaps that of the Indus Valley region, 4000 years ago) that did not come together out of a means of agression towards another group of people or through some level of slanted religious authority.

Right now we are at a point in time where people make large claims to understanding everything but making no action towards peace or progress. Even within the US the engineered division of the democrats and republicans has taken the absurd model of sports fanaticism and imposed it upon or social interactions and politcal forums.

Humans are not stupid. But we are for the most part profoundly lazy. I'm gonna go do something useful with my time. This movie was inspiring. Your quote was not something I found fault with so much as it was a means for me to initiate this passage. I respect your opinion, share it to an undetermined extent and I thank you

Very well put!

genshi · Post by **genshi** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:55 pm

M. Bréqs wrote:I just saw Children of Men tonight. Fantastic.

Without giving it away, the last half hour rivals Saving Private Ryan in terms of realistic violence. Having served as a soldier in Bosnia back in the day, I have never seen a better rendition of modern street combat than I have in this movie. Children of Men really shows what it's like for the civvies caught in street fighting.

Hi M. Bréqs, if you don't mind me asking, what side did you fight with back in Bosnia? I only ask because even to this day I am meeting people from over there that have widely varying views of what actually happened and I would love to hear it from all sides. You can PM me if you wish... but I really would like to know your experience there.

M. Bréqs · Post by **M. Bréqs** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:22 pm

genshi wrote: Hi M. Bréqs, if you don't mind me asking, what side did you fight with back in Bosnia? I only ask because even to this day I am meeting people from over there that have widely varying views of what actually happened and I would love to hear it from all sides. You can PM me if you wish... but I really would like to know your experience there.

Canadian Forces, under the auspices of NATO. We were stationed in Zgon, which in the Kljuc area, though our area of responsiblity (AOR) ranged between Tomislavgrad, and Velika Kladusa.

I was lucky, there wasn't too much nastyness when we got there (we arrived just after the Dayton Accord); we had only a few engagements between groups in violation of the cease-fire. We saw the aftermath of fighting way more than we saw fighting to be honest, but it was still freaky.

I make my comments about Children of Men being realistic, as I got the chance to see not only idiots running around in a street without taking cover, blasting off AKs at each other, an RPG-7 take out the front end of a post office - that was crazy - and I saw a T-55 tank get taken out by a czech anti-tank missile (I think it was an AT-4). It was wierd, the tank didn't blow up or anything, the missile just punched a hole through the side about as thick around as a plum. What the movies can't do is give you a sense of just how LOUD everything is. I'm amazed that I'm not deaf sometimes.

As for my opinions on what happened there, who was responsible, etc. Well, they're my own and I don't share that with anybody I don't know personally, sorry.

genshi · Post by **genshi** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:31 pm

M. Bréqs wrote: As for my opinions on what happened there, who was responsible, etc. Well, they're my own and I don't share that with anybody I don't know personally, sorry.

Understandable. That must have been interesting though to be part of NATO and all. The reason I asked was my girlfriend is Croatian and has told me many stories since she lived through the whole thing, and I've recently met a couple of Serbians that of course have a completely different take, but it's funny how once they're here in America, they can have picnics together, but over in the ex-Yugoslav, they're still bitter enemies it seems. Just all sounds too familiar with everything else going on in the world (Palestine/Israel, Shia/Sunnis, etc.). It would be SO easy for everyone to realize they are more similar than not and that they CAN just get along if they wanted to... or maybe I am just naive to this?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:27 am

M. Bréqs wrote:I'll just say that they take hyperbole to the extreme when it comes to the politics, and they clumsily charicaturize both the authorities and the anti-authority folks. Take the message with a grain of salt, as with most dark-future / apocalyptic fiction.

At least they made everybody look like idiots. OK it was a good movie, enjoyed it, and the street violence and war scenes were brutally realistic, good job.

hacktheplanet · Post by **hacktheplanet** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:27 am

My top 5 movies of the last 20 years:

1. Children of Men
2. 28 Days Later
3. Batman Begins
4. Way Of The Gun
5. The Beach

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:41 pm

To anyone in the armed forces, or who has been in the armed forces - I don't know how you do it. I am convinced I would get myself killed in 5 minutes in a street battle like that!!

joshuajames · Post by **joshuajames** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:48 pm

i just got back, could very well be one of the best movies ever. it ought to win every oscar this year. i was completely spellbound