Live's core market is 12-16 yr old middleclass males

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:34 pm

Ok, so there is a fun hip software company capable of actually developing a good entertainment product a little further. I have no disagreement; Live is a classy little piece and 4 is going to be even more fun.

But JE&US CHRI&T what is the deal with all the love?

The thing hasn't even been released yet and there are guys wetting themselves on the forum.

This entrapment to software is not healthy. Listen up children; you will never be a pioneer if you hang around on software forums with sweaty palms waiting for the next sample CD or looper tool. (even if it now also does Midi)

Get some balls and burn 'em.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:47 pm

Hey child person, you're here wasting time. You've got the "I saw you at WalMart syndrome"

Well you had to be there too.....

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:50 pm

He has a point... if only he could've been a tad less "Funkeetuna" in his approach....

EvilNinjaGabbaGlitch · Post by **EvilNinjaGabbaGlitch** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:51 pm

I resent your comment. I am 17 and a half (not 16), and I am cutting the sounds of the future on Live.
I only use one sample CD by Big Fish Audio actually.

I've played some of my music for my parents and some guys from the tennis club and I can tell they like my style and presentation.

acerola · Post by **acerola** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:02 pm

I AM 16, so what's the big deal with that?

And I don't use any sample CDs.

Infact my kit consists of Reaktor, Absynth, Kontakt, Melodyne, Albino, FM7,Spectrasonics Atmosphere, Trilogy, a motif rack, a JV1080, RS7000, korg trinity, UC33e, a couple of decks, Sound Forge, Acid and Cubase SX. (plus plogue and lots of other vsts)

I find Live a much better tool on its own than most of the above because of it's intuitive layout and good functionality. In my opinion cubase is flakey and way over marketed. Live is all I need in a DAW.

Tony Blear · Post by **Tony Blear** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:08 pm

I do use a large number of sample CDs, but that means nothing. Each person will combine them in different unique ways. It is all about engaging the audience you moron.

And I may be 15, but I know a good tune from a bad tune, and can build up grooves in Live that really get people into it.

So F**k you.

loophead · Post by **loophead** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:13 pm

"guest" ahemm... said

"But JE&US CHRI&T what is the deal with all the love?"

Spelling problem there "guest" trying to not-take-the-name-in-vain-I'm-on-my-way-to-heaven sort of thing....

Some of us are professionals some of us are not. That said Ableton is not just a piece of software. Its a creative tool. So stop being one (tool) and get yerslf back to LUG or whatever buss you fell off of !

The fact that we are ecstatic with the proposition that our 'baby' just grew up and graduated is not unhealthy. Now go slink away...

'Put thee behind me satan !"

'

Had some spelling issues there meself

ekko · Post by **ekko** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:23 pm

acerola wrote: Infact my kit consists of Reaktor, Absynth, Kontakt, Melodyne, Albino, FM7,Spectrasonics Atmosphere, Trilogy, a motif rack, a JV1080, RS7000, korg trinity, UC33e, a couple of decks, Sound Forge, Acid and Cubase SX. (plus plogue and lots of other vsts)
.

Wow, at 16, that's quite a summer job that affords you all of that.

jed · Post by **jed** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:53 pm

Wow, you have a good point man. I don't think I like Live anymore.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:06 pm

I'm 39 and 4 days old and this news has made me feel 16 years old

mock me all you want, I'm off to get a very, very big glass of water

msascha · Post by **msascha** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:08 pm

Hmmm.... I'm 28 - does that mean that I'm not allowed to "wet my pants" over Live4?

loophead · Post by **loophead** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:11 pm

Wet em and forget em !!

steve-o · Post by **steve-o** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:18 pm

Anonymous wrote:Ok, so there is a fun hip software company capable of actually developing a good entertainment product a little further. I have no disagreement; Live is a classy little piece and 4 is going to be even more fun.

But JE&US CHRI&T what is the deal with all the love?

The thing hasn't even been released yet and there are guys wetting themselves on the forum.

This entrapment to software is not healthy. Listen up children; you will never be a pioneer if you hang around on software forums with sweaty palms waiting for the next sample CD or looper tool. (even if it now also does Midi)

Get some balls and burn 'em.

Whatever man, if it's exciting to you or not why do you have to judge? Who ARE YOU to judge? For some of us Live is a central creative element in the creatie process - like a violin or piano or synth or whatever for others. Some people are MPC lovers, some EMU, whatever. I don't judge them. Sure, its not healthy to be too attached to anything, but your making a lot of assuptions that appear to some as insults.

First, theres a distinction between enthusiasm and attachmentm, or as you put it in the extreme, entrapment. What you're trying to imply is that there's some negative side effect going on - and that's not necessarily the case. For those of us who have been with Ableton since the day one, exchange dialog with the developers (even having the head of the company issue a reply on the forum regarding mac optimization a while ago), seen Ableton integrate our wishes at lightning speed, as well as huge innovations, all the while being the new kid on the block IS exciting and FUN, no matter what you think. It's definetly exciting for a number of us and exciting for the Abletons as well. How do you think they feel, seening such enthusiasm? Probably feeling a deep sense of satisfaction.

Second, your insinuation that Live users just use sample CD's and loops is insulting. Many people use Live in many ways, and that's great. Some use it as a compositional tool, some as a traditional sequencer, others as a multitrack, others as a dj tool.

Your comments in the end, really just expose your own deep rooted feelings of insecurity and bigotry. Did you really want to come across as a insecure, judgemental bigot, who discriminates against teens and the middleclass? Do you really want to come on a public internet forum and insinutate that if you're young and not upper class it's a bad thing? Do you want to tell the Ableton crew and those of us that really like the software for whatever reasons that we're immature because there is some positivity on both sides of the fence?

Why do you have to rain on the parade? Be a buzzkill? Act like some fascist or fundamentalist saying "don't act like that - do be like this - that is the wrong way - this is the right?"

Think about it.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:28 pm

Oh no, happy people! happy people!, I'm not used to that

Oh Nooooooo

kabuki · Post by **kabuki** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:39 pm

Anonymous wrote:
The thing hasn't even been released yet and there are guys wetting themselves on the forum.

This entrapment to software is not healthy. Listen up children; you will never be a pioneer if you hang around on software forums with sweaty palms waiting for the next sample CD or looper tool. (even if it now also does Midi)

Get some balls and burn 'em.

You HAPPEN to be on a board of people who post here regularly and have received word of a MAJOR upgrade. On the day the news was released. On the board of the company that makes this software. Of course we will be a bit excited. And since these new changes will allow many of us to eschew Logic/Cubase/etc., then we are even MORE excited.

Don't go into the cow pasture after a feeding and complain that there's poop on your foot.

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