steve-o wrote:JACKAL & HYDE wrote:dango wrote:
ok, habeas corpus aside. we are fucking torturing people. fuck that.
those us soilders that are missing right now are so up shit creek. i am sure they would be killed anyway, but i bet because of the circumstances it will be more ugly than it needs be.
and i do not want to hear anyone say, well other prisons are in the world are worse, you get tortured in other places. screw that, we are not other places. we are supposed to be just. I know we have a bad track record, but no one should be tortured. just because others do it does not make it right and does not mean people should not protest it.
First off coerced interrogation is hardly hollywood film "torture". Nobody with half a brain practices this anymore because everyone knows thee torturees would say anything to make it stop. You've got Red Cross people everywhere down there along with human rights watch groups all over the place at gitmo taking note of everything. So the "were Torturing humans @ gitmo" is way overplayed. From the beginning they've extracted information from the prisoners not by torture but by developing rapport with them and providing amenities. Their treatment there is humane by any standard on earth and MUCH better than any normal US prison as far as wants, grants and amenities. All their food made to follow Koranic Law etc, you cant get that at any normal prison. The detainees down there in guantanamo Cuba eat better than the children of cuba and no ones getting bamboo shoots up their fingernails.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
All the things you would not see at a Gulag are at Guantanamo. Dentist, 24 hour physicians, pharmacy, Korans provided to every detainee in different languages, prayer beads & oil provided, food made to follow strict Koranic law, halal/lemon chicken etc. Am I wrong so far? The Red Cross visits detainees and are on hand 24 hours a day with instant access into any place in the prison, theres a library stocked with Islamic literature with over 4,000 books for the detainees to read, prayer is called 5 times a day over the speaker system with an arrow pointing toward Mecca in every single cell so they'll be facing the right direction, cooperative prisoners are allowed 10 hours of outdoor time a day compared to 1 hour in every US prison and 0 hours in US supermaxes. < None of these things would be provided at prisons covering 80% of the earth, not one of them. Russia, China (entire far east), Africa, Mexico, entire Middle east, South America the list goes on & on.. These things would not exist, the situation would be 10 times more brutal, and the treatment even more abhorrent.
You mix that with the world saying that guantanamo is the worst place on earth and the practices are outrageous and it doesnt add up. Yea, theres interrogation, and no I wouldnt like to go there but its hardly the "worst prison on earth".