FRESH HOT ANAL FUCKING AAARGH!!!!!

[doc holiday]

fuck who does it

[Oscar F]

You're obviously aware this board is a sausage fest, so what's your problem ?

If it was a sausage fest I'd post here more often dude .

[jesQuick]

Holy Mo*****

Where can I get that in full screen!!!???

[Machinesworking]

fuck off. you look at kiddy porn. that's why you are offended. this was our fun thread... quit ruining it with your debate.

Sorry dcease, but this is a REALLY interesting catch 22 to me of the whole issue.
OK you were just being an asshole, but it made me think about a little psychological situation we have here. First of all I like XXX, gets you through times when a real girlfriend is scarce. This isn't about that.
Do I think it objectifies women, well fucking DUH!? Whole industries have developed that rely on the average males visual weakness towards nubile young women. It's not just the porn industry though, advertising is probably worse, at least in advertising it's legal for them to dress a 13 year old up in make up and a skimpy dress to sell product.

Something like 1 in 4 women have been sexually molested as minors. Anybody want to make any bets on what the percentage of women working in the sex industry have been sexually molested? I'm certain the numbers go up to something ridiculous like 95%, I have no doubt about that.

I've been around sex workers and burlesque girls my whole life pretty much. Most of my friends are poor. Every girl I have ever met who worked in the industry had stories of childhood sexual abuse. Sure, it's a primal drive for straight men to want to look at naked women acting like they're in heat, but I don't think working in the sex industry is something that women without a history of abuse do very often at all. It does objectify women, and a woman with a balanced and strong view of herself is probably going to find an occupation that isn't possibly an interference to her normal sexuality off camera or stage etc.

So, child molesters create damaged women who think their sexuality is their only asset, therefore they create porn stars, strippers, hookers, and nude models.

Anyway, it's an argument I've had with myself on maybe looking at what the end result of all this lust for nubile women is creating. Not that it creates child molesters per say, but that women who were molested get an even more twisted view of their sexual identity by al this liberal side stepping of the basic pattern happening within the industry.

Another of course obvious problem is the cookie cutter nature of mass produced XXX body and facial characteristics. Think Hollywood 15 year olds with boob jobs, collagen injections, Tanning booth tans, dyed blond hair, nose jobs...Plucking eyebrows, shaving all body hair, blue contacts, braces, and plastic surgery at 30.

Anyway, I just like to remember that it's not a black and white issue. It's proably in the end not very healthy for women, but it's human nature to be interested in sex, and women are the object of desire for most men, and a good portion of women in Seattle anyway.

[Angstrom]

I've been around sex workers and burlesque girls my whole life pretty much. Most of my friends are poor. Every girl I have ever met who worked in the industry had stories of childhood sexual abuse. Sure, it's a primal drive for straight men to want to look at naked women acting like they're in heat, but I don't think working in the sex industry is something that women without a history of abuse do very often at all. It does objectify women, and a woman with a balanced and strong view of herself is probably going to find an occupation that isn't possibly an interference to her normal sexuality off camera or stage etc.

So, child molesters create damaged women who think their sexuality is their only asset, therefore they create porn stars, strippers, hookers, and nude models.

I'm not sure what the hell is going on in the states, but here in the UK, Burlesquers are much more likely to be art school graduates, 'circus skills' types and middle class nice girls who tend to like being rude. There is very very little of the victim mentality in evidence, perhaps one person out of the hundreds of performers I have met.
The women in burlesque that I know really do not do it for any kind of male approval. The audiences are composed 80% of women and all most all the rest are gay men. Which I find very, very, odd. Burlesque gigs are full of women in their most glamorous underwear (and this is in the audience) and nearly NO straight men go to them!

I have met quite a few of the New York based Burlesquers, such as Dirty Martina and Ekaterina ... and both of them are pretty damn stable individuals.

Burlesque performers are usually more akin to performance artists, in fact most of them come from that scene and just realise that they can get paid more on the club scene than in the gallery scene. And have more fun too.

having said all that about Burlesque - I would agree that most people in porn are pretty fucked in the head.

[OvertoneZero]

I used to live in Seattle, there's a whole sex workers as victims movement out there. I'm sure there's something to it, but, like most generalizations, there are probably lots of exceptions. I'd say that most people are exploited by their jobs one way or another. When I was working 60 hours a week in IT, that definitely had a detrimental impact on my sexuality.

Most attractive women (especially the smart ones) profit through their looks, and most are objectified due to their looks to some extent. That's just the way of the world, and I don't think it's because of child molesters.. it's human nature.

If I was a hot babe and I could make $500 a night taking my clothes off in front of strangers for 4 to 6 hours, $200 a day waiting tables or answering phones for 8 to 10 hours, I'd certainly give it some serious thought.

[Machinesworking]

I'm not sure what the hell is going on in the states, but here in the UK, Burlesquers are much more likely to be art school graduates, middle class nice girls who tend to like being rude. There is very very little of the victim mentality in evidence, there is one person comes to mind, but she is the exception rather than the rule.
The women in burlesque that I know really do not do it for any kind of male approval. The audiences are composed 80% of women and all most all the rest are gay men. Which I find very, very, odd. Burlesque gigs are full of women in their most glamorous underwear (and this is in the audience) and nearly NO straight men go to them!

I have met quite a few of the New York based Burlesquers, such as Dirty Martina and Ekaterina ... and both of them are pretty damn stable individuals.

Burlesque performers are usually more akin to performance artists, in fact most of them come from that scene and just realise that they can get paid more on the club scene than in the gallery scene. And have more fun too.

having said all that about Burlesque - I would agree that most people in porn are pretty fucked in the head.

Depends on what you consider balanced I guess? But can you deny that it's not at all related to needing a lot of attention in regards to your tits and ass? or that that is very probably related to an over sexualized experience in early adulthood or childhood?
I know from personal experience ( a former friend ran a burlesque troop ), that pretty much all the women were total attention whores, and catty in fighting promiscuity and infidelity were common. So common in fact that the Wife Swap TV show looked for two years for a burlesque performer who was currently married with children! Funny part about that was apparently during filming she split with her husband!
Nobody over here really makes any money at it, just the few like the girl on Wife Swap get famous enough to earn a living doing it.

Roommate's girlfriend is a burlesque dancer, and stripper, she's hot, but all kinds of attention whore. The best performer I saw, literally miles above the rest, great costumes, and little plots in her dance, worked as a stripper also, and had mental issues, was on anti depressants etc.
The really balanced ones tend to be lesbians. makes sense really, hanging out back stage with naked women, drinking, maybe weed etc. a hand goes where?

[Machinesworking]

I used to live in Seattle, there's a whole sex workers as victims movement out there. I'm sure there's something to it, but, like most generalizations, there are probably lots of exceptions. I'd say that most people are exploited by their jobs one way or another. When I was working 60 hours a week in IT, that definitely had a detrimental impact on my sexuality.

Most attractive women (especially the smart ones) profit through their looks, and most are objectified due to their looks to some extent. That's just the way of the world, and I don't think it's because of child molesters.. it's human nature.

If I was a hot babe and I could make $500 a night taking my clothes off in front of strangers for 4 to 6 hours, $200 a day waiting tables or answering phones for 8 to 10 hours, I'd certainly give it some serious thought.

not disagreeing at all, but i would say it's not just Seattle.
I'm not condemning anybody, just saying with guys ranting about men objectifying women, well they are right to a degree, but that doesn't mean people have to stop doing it. It's like smoking IMO. It's bad for you, but some people like it. I just hated it years ago when the occasional smoker would try to justify it by saying, "I knew this vegan health nut guy, he got hit by a truck!" as if that is reason enough.

[Machinesworking]

Oh and just so people don't think I'm a prude.
Not work safe!

http://www.deletedyoutube.ftvteen.com/?v=3UnmQkY6DDI

[Angstrom]

Depends on what you consider balanced I guess? But can you deny that it's not at all related to needing a lot of attention in regards to your tits and ass? or that that is very probably related to an over sexualized experience in early adulthood or childhood?

well, the people I know wither went to art college, stage school, circus school, or similar. So are they attention seekers - absolutely , I mean for fucks sake - thats not a crime!
This is a forum full of performers too - 'attention whores' ?

I know from personal experience ( a former friend ran a burlesque troop ), that pretty much all the women were total attention whores, and catty in fighting promiscuity and infidelity were common. So common in fact that the Wife Swap TV show looked for two years for a burlesque performer who was currently married with children! Funny part about that was apparently during filming she split with her husband!

Ok, so they are performers and they want attention, weird. Girls catty ? I just can't imagine that! whatever next !

From my experience the burlesque scene is (in general) a lot more supportive than the music scene. Although that's partly because it doesn't have an equivalent commercialization tier (like an EMI / BMG), it merely has a string of crappy clubs and a very few top gigs.

2: almost all the 'burlesque boyfriends' I encounter are absolutely desperate to stop their girlfriends from doing it. Just imagine a girl telling you that you MUST stop doing music. And that is why they break up.
I am in a huge minority in that I am fine with my girlfriend doing it.

Nobody over here really makes any money at it, just the few like the girl on Wife Swap get famous enough to earn a living doing it.

that's right, they just do it because they like doing it. It's what they enjoy - it's theatrical and it's sexy. Simple as that.

Roommate's girlfriend is a burlesque dancer, and stripper, she's hot, but all kinds of attention whore. The best performer I saw, literally miles above the rest, great costumes, and little plots in her dance, worked as a stripper also, and had mental issues, was on anti depressants etc.

anyone on this forum an 'attention whore' or on anti-depressants?
I think there might be.

The really balanced ones tend to be lesbians. makes sense really, hanging out back stage with naked women, drinking, maybe weed etc. a hand goes where?

hmm,
well that's a very odd statement. very, very odd.
I'm not sure that sexual orientation comes from proximity.

Women in burlesque are (in the main ) refreshingly liberated and in control of their own sexuality though. In the same way you would expect a musician to be able to play music well.

[Machinesworking]

Roommate's girlfriend is a burlesque dancer, and stripper, she's hot, but all kinds of attention whore. The best performer I saw, literally miles above the rest, great costumes, and little plots in her dance, worked as a stripper also, and had mental issues, was on anti depressants etc.

anyone on this forum an 'attention whore' or on anti-depressants?
I think there might be.

No real judgment on my part, just observation that's all. My roommate plays music as well, and that is a subject of conversation, that it's hard to find balanced (in our opinions) women interested in dating musicians, most know better!

The really balanced ones tend to be lesbians. makes sense really, hanging out back stage with naked women, drinking, maybe weed etc. a hand goes where?

hmm,
well that's a very odd statement. very, very odd.
I'm not sure that sexual orientation comes from proximity.

How did you read that into what I said? Most hot lesbians I know think about becoming burlesque dancers, not most lesbians I know became lesbians after working burlesque. Should have clarified that.
The written word can be confusing I guess?

[Angstrom]

I see -
I thought you were suggesting that these poor mentally frail girls might smoke a joint and jump ship because they saw a boobie.

As a class of people I'd say Burlesque dancers are at least as stable as the musicians I know. Perhaps more so.

In fact if I run through all the musicians I know they are pretty much all deranged and have odd drug/personal issues . The girls seems much less weird.

[Machinesworking]

I see -
I thought you were suggesting that these poor mentally frail girls might smoke a joint and jump ship because they saw a boobie.

As a class of people I'd say Burlesque dancers are at least as stable as the musicians I know. Perhaps more so.

In fact if I run through all the musicians I know they are pretty much all deranged and have odd drug/personal issues . The girls seems much less weird.

Can't argue with that, except to say that musicians in my experience are a little more loyal than burlesque dancers, as a whole.
I still am friends with most of my old band mates, not the case with the burlesque girls I know, the in fighting is intense. Watch my hot video!

[forge]

this is why I love this forum - look at the thread title then the ensuing debate!

I think the problem with the sex industry as a whole is there is a large portion of society that doesnt approve and lumps it all in together

I've never met a porn star (who told me at least) but I have been close to a girl who after some time told me she used to work as a prostitute - she wasnt sexually abused as a kid, although I could say she had some difficult issues growing up with family

but the one thing she was always at lengths to point out is that all the people she knew who did it were just normal girls and none of the imagined stereo types were true - most of the time they were maybe being a bit promiscuous in their late teens and realised they might as well earn some cash, and they just got a buzz off the large amounts of money they could earn - like 100 pounds for 10 minutes sometimes

that was in the UK - but in Australia brothels are legal and girls are just emploees like anywhere

oddly enough someone else not so long ago mentioned in conversation she used to do it too - just a normal woman with kids, studies art at college

but they always like to keep it to themselves of course because of the social stigma etc

so the point is it is totally relevant to where you are - I could imagine the US and it's puritan streaks being far more down on things like this and thus it being a lot more underground

people tend to imagine this big seedy sex industry, but really it is like any type of business - people recognise a need in the market and fill it - and as they say, oldest profession...women have known since the dawn of time that men really, really want to shag them and will go to enourmous lengths (if you'll pardon the pun)

[knotkranky]

Oh and just so people don't think I'm a prude.
Not work safe!

http://www.deletedyoutube.ftvteen.com/?v=3UnmQkY6DDI

ROFLOL!!!!

Thank you, thank you.

You dudes didn't watch the whole thing did you?