M. Bréqs wrote:No, you're not. Not for me anyways.ThrowAway wrote:I must be troll scripted....
Regarding your earlier point, for Canada the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan are not related. We didn't participate in the invasion of Iraq, but we did for Afghanistan. The two conflicts are not connected in terms of Canadian foreign policy.
We supported the Afghan campaign because it was in our self-interest, and it passed a moral test of validity.
We refused to support the Iraq invasion because it was not in our self interest, and would not have passed a moral test of validity.
'nuff said.
L8er
That's right, you're figuring it out now. They hate us because of our freedom and we must have unending war because of that. Now keep repeating it as you fall asleep at night...you'll feel better in the morning!Machinesworking wrote: It's like a Monty Python sketch, yet people buy that as a solution??
Oh wait, that's right, I keep on forgetting, war is the only answer.......
terrorism is a tactic, it's a war against a tactic, there has never been a war declared against a tactic. tactics can start wars but nobody in history has been stupid enough to declare a war against a tactic. you cannot draw a geographical line around a #$%ing tactic!! it makes no sense.Machinesworking wrote:It begs the question, How do you win a war against an enemy that will commit suicide to attack you by killing them? This of all battles, of all anti terrorist wars, makes the least sense.
i cant agree more. as i remember you stated that the war in iraq supported all western self interests weather we liked it or not.Machinesworking wrote:I seem to remember you being all for Iraq even as late in the game as right before you were sent out to Afghanistan M. Breqs? Something about if you could go to Iraq you would have. So your opinion change, or are you of a different opinion than your country?
I don't forget much, just where my keys are.M. Bréqs wrote:No, you're not. Not for me anyways.ThrowAway wrote:I must be troll scripted....
Regarding your earlier point, for Canada the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan are not related. We didn't participate in the invasion of Iraq, but we did for Afghanistan. The two conflicts are not connected in terms of Canadian foreign policy.
We supported the Afghan campaign because it was in our self-interest, and it passed a moral test of validity.
We refused to support the Iraq invasion because it was not in our self interest, and would not have passed a moral test of validity.
'nuff said.
L8er
No, the Arabs in the region fought on the side of the Allies (Anglo/French) against the Turks (Ottomans) in return for the promise of independence and self determination.Tone Deft wrote: at the end of WWI the Ottoman Empire was officially divided up amongst the 'victors' of the war. England was given modern day Israel. so... given that, the Palestinians just didn't get the memo or what? (asked in a smart ass way.) I agree they've been shit on but they lost that war, right?
just asking questions to learn more, not making an argument.
which completely glosses over the point of your post.Ottoman rule over the eastern Mediterranean lasted until World War I when the Ottomans sided with Germany and the Central Powers. During World War I, the Ottomans were driven from much of the region by the United Kingdom during the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.
During 1915-16, as World War I was underway, the British High Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, secretly corresponded with Husayn ibn `Ali, the patriarch of the Hashemite family and Ottoman governor of Mecca and Medina. McMahon convinced Husayn to lead an Arab revolt against the Ottoman Empire, which was aligned with Germany against Britain and France in the war. McMahon promised that if the Arabs supported Britain in the war, the British government would support the establishment of an independent Arab state under Hashemite rule in the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire, including Palestine. The Arab revolt, led by T. E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") and Husayn's son Faysal, was successful in defeating the Ottomans, and Britain took control over much of this area during World War I.
Tone Deft wrote:I appreciate that smutek, thanks. been using wikipedia as a reference, it's showing weakness in this area, all it states in the Palestine entry is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
which completely glosses over the point of your post.Ottoman rule over the eastern Mediterranean lasted until World War I when the Ottomans sided with Germany and the Central Powers. During World War I, the Ottomans were driven from much of the region by the United Kingdom during the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.
clearly they missed an interesting bit of history, damn, why have I put off seeing Lawrence Of Arabia...
http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_p ... prime.html
During 1915-16, as World War I was underway, the British High Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, secretly corresponded with Husayn ibn `Ali, the patriarch of the Hashemite family and Ottoman governor of Mecca and Medina. McMahon convinced Husayn to lead an Arab revolt against the Ottoman Empire, which was aligned with Germany against Britain and France in the war. McMahon promised that if the Arabs supported Britain in the war, the British government would support the establishment of an independent Arab state under Hashemite rule in the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire, including Palestine. The Arab revolt, led by T. E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") and Husayn's son Faysal, was successful in defeating the Ottomans, and Britain took control over much of this area during World War I.
1ntelligent Fraud wrote:Tone Deft wrote:I appreciate that smutek, thanks. been using wikipedia as a reference, it's showing weakness in this area, all it states in the Palestine entry is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
which completely glosses over the point of your post.Ottoman rule over the eastern Mediterranean lasted until World War I when the Ottomans sided with Germany and the Central Powers. During World War I, the Ottomans were driven from much of the region by the United Kingdom during the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.
clearly they missed an interesting bit of history, damn, why have I put off seeing Lawrence Of Arabia...
http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_p ... prime.html
During 1915-16, as World War I was underway, the British High Commissioner in Egypt, Sir Henry McMahon, secretly corresponded with Husayn ibn `Ali, the patriarch of the Hashemite family and Ottoman governor of Mecca and Medina. McMahon convinced Husayn to lead an Arab revolt against the Ottoman Empire, which was aligned with Germany against Britain and France in the war. McMahon promised that if the Arabs supported Britain in the war, the British government would support the establishment of an independent Arab state under Hashemite rule in the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire, including Palestine. The Arab revolt, led by T. E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia") and Husayn's son Faysal, was successful in defeating the Ottomans, and Britain took control over much of this area during World War I.
Tone, read up on the Balfour Declaration. This is basically what fucked the Israel/Palestine situation. PS: Wikipedia is to be taken with a grain of salt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_De ... on_of_1917
Well,,Olga wrote:
The real reason why the Israel/Palestine situation is 'fucked up' as you put it, is because the Muslim religion is the most intolerant hate filled, sexist, homophobic load of shit dictated to the Sahaba by a Warlord mad man murdering pedophile genocidal maniac named Muhammad who tortured people, robbed meccan caravans, cheated on his wives, ordered political assassinations, and ordered death to those who left his religion.. End of story. Now there are a Billion people following this lunatics ramblings so everyones screwed and there will never be peace.
Of course, until the entire earth has been transformed into a gigantic Muslim state where every athiest, jew or christian and any other non-muslim either submits or is killed. Then there will be peace! Praise Allah. yaaaa!
,,,Tone Deft wrote: I did read about the Balfour Declaration. this shit's been going on for a loooooooooooooooooooooooong time. both sides just need to chill the fuck out.
