All Art and Music Is Self-Indulgent Vanity

dn83 · Post by **dn83** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:07 am

...your thoughts?

blank · Post by **blank** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:08 am

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smutek · Post by **smutek** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:12 am

DEPENDS ON THE INTENT, CONTENT AND CONTEXT.

dn83 · Post by **dn83** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:13 am

smutek wrote:DEPENDS ON THE INTENT, CONTENT AND CONTEXT.

Good insight.

dn83 · Post by **dn83** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:21 am

How should I respond to this mentality? It does raise a good point, but seems really negative...

blank · Post by **blank** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:25 am

dn83 wrote:How should I respond to this mentality? It does raise a good point, but seems really negative...

negative for what ?

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:29 am

i desire to create, so i can perform. it is a desire i have, so i would say yes. i write for myself, first and foremost...

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:30 am

not all art is music
not all music is art

dn83 · Post by **dn83** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:33 am

blank wrote:
dn83 wrote:How should I respond to this mentality? It does raise a good point, but seems really negative...
negative for what ?

Negative as in depressing. Like, creating art brings joy to a lot of people. For someone like this to be told something to the effect of 'creating art is a waste of time', is discouraging.

Someone recently said something similar to me, so I wanted to get others' opinions on the matter.

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:36 am

dn83 wrote:Negative as in depressing. Like, creating art brings joy to a lot of people. For someone like this to be told something to the effect of 'creating art is a waste of time', is discouraging.

Someone recently said something similar to me, so I wanted to get others' opinions on the matter.

does it make you happy? yes? fuck 'em then.

dn83 · Post by **dn83** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:38 am

sweetjesus wrote:not all art is music
not all music is art

I'm just referring to creating in general. It's been proposed from an evolutionary/instinctual point of view that part of why we create things is to attract a mate, show-off and otherwise gain the attention of others or what not. I'm looking for other opinions on why we create. For example, I could say that for me, it's because music allows me to enter another world, slightly outside the mundane...

dn83 · Post by **dn83** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:41 am

dcease wrote:does it make you happy? yes? fuck 'em then.

Good point...and it's not like it's hurting anyone either...

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:42 am

Everything is art
Art is everything

dn83 · Post by **dn83** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:48 am

Opinions like this just get to me sometimes. It makes me feel guilty for wanting to work on a song or painting...guilty because I could be doing something less 'self-indulgent' to combat the atrocities of the world.

And it's not just about atrocities for example, it's about progress too. Someone could say something to the effect of 'art didn't get us to the Moon'...you know?

How would you combat these attitudes? Again, it just gets to me sometimes. Because although I feel art is such an important part of the human experience, I get the points of these arguments too...

stonee · Post by **stonee** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:48 am

dn83 wrote:How should I respond to this mentality? It does raise a good point, but seems really negative...

I agree, its sort of a harsh way of putting it, but its true.

people make music or art either because they cant find what they want, and they want just that right thing for just them,

or, they make music to show off, and feel accepted into the world on some level.

EVERYTHING we do is for self gratification in the end, otherwise, we wouldn't do it.