Let's all contemplate Fruity Loops

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:44 am

Angstrom wrote: don't introduce a new luxury bassoon pack

Best quote since "live should start calling itself desk"

stonee · Post by **stonee** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:45 am

I used FL before i switched to ableton.

FABLULOUS instruments. I miss them alot.

but the workflow is really akward.

if FL was availible for mac, I would get it.

i also agree ableton should start to compete. even if they reduced the price of the suite a couple hundred dollars to 700-800, alot more people would be willing to pick it up.

it would also be nice if ableton upped their daw ability too. i too am a victim of lack of crossfades.

ableton is in a good place to take a powerful place in the market, but they dont seem quite agressive enough to move in.

Geezus · Post by **Geezus** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:59 am

Also note that Fruity allows automation beyond the 128 parameter mark, has WAY better midi editing, curved automation, custom lfos, and crazy envelope controllers.

xuoham · Post by **xuoham** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:14 am

Angstrom wrote:I just want Ableton to compete.
I mean ... please beat the app which is 1/5th of your price.

IE - don't introduce the Cycling collab with a €500 price tag
don't introduce a new luxury bassoon pack

Instead introduce some nice customisation features that are powerful, easy to use and competitively priced.

+1
This quote is a perfect illustration of my hopes and disappointments with Live7...

lunabass · Post by **lunabass** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:33 am

a friend of mine wrote the first edition of the fl studio bible. he uses fl for production of music for advertising companies and his clients have included microsoft etc... he knows it inside and out.

i've sat with him many times as he's played me new compositions and while it's feature list is absolutely awesome and his trax are excellent, it's workflow just seems to be nothing but a big mess. ulitimately everyones opinion on the workflow of any daw will differ but imo live beats it handsdown for workflow...and obviouly live performance. live just makes a lot more sense!

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:16 am

I won it years ago in a ridiculous contest. I used to use it a lot but not much anymore.

It's packed with features (some very nice shit) and no doubt you can do a lot with it but it's basically a step sequenced drum machine patched into a sequencer in the end. Kinda of odd when working on a song but FL devotees will beg to differ.

Anyway Live is much more attractive to me has a performance app to get something going really fast.

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:26 pm

stonee wrote:I used FL before i switched to ableton.

FABLULOUS instruments. I miss them alot.

but the workflow is really akward.

if FL was availible for mac, I would get it.

i also agree ableton should start to compete. even if they reduced the price of the suite a couple hundred dollars to 700-800, alot more people would be willing to pick it up.

it would also be nice if ableton upped their daw ability too. i too am a victim of lack of crossfades.

ableton is in a good place to take a powerful place in the market, but they dont seem quite agressive enough to move in.

no no no and no.
live isnt a daw. its a live performance tool with a limited crippled daw ability.
they should focus on that.

its not called desk. yet.

BAKOY_MUSIC · Post by **BAKOY_MUSIC** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:31 pm

anyone tried this, from the makers of FL

http://www.renoise.com/download/renoise/

talk about quick

the way it reads the sequence is more intuitive and realistic

it's sick

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:40 pm

Renoise was built from Noisetrekker made by Arguru or so I was told.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:47 pm

its not made by "the people behind fl".

Renoise was originally written from the code of another tracker called NoiseTrekker, made by Juan Antonio Arguelles Rius (Arguru). The then unnamed Renoise project was initiated by Eduard Mueller (Taktik) and Zvonko Tesic (Phazze) during December 2000. As discussed in this NoError article the development team planned to take tracking software into a new standard of quality, enabling tracking scene composers to make audio of the same quality as other existing professional packages, while still keeping the proven Fast Tracker-like layout. By early 2002 stable versions (such as 1.27) were available. Over the years the development team has grown, including Paul Rogalinski (Pulsar), Martin Sandve Alnes (Martinal) and Simon Finne (Blackis), in order to expand on features, port to Mac OS X, and maintain the website.

Argu, External Developer (Deceased June 2007)
DirectWave
Deckadance

Afaik argu also worked a bit with discodsp and many other things.
R.I.P

BAKOY_MUSIC · Post by **BAKOY_MUSIC** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:52 pm

okay
it's just when you want to buy it , it takes you to the FL site that's all, was just assuming some collab'

...anyways, get into it, try it, it's sick !!

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:54 pm

BAKOY_MUSIC wrote:okay
it's just when you want to buy it , it takes you to the FL site that's all, was just assuming some collab'

...anyways, get into it, try it, it's sick !!

it does?
http://www.renoise.com/order/

well if it is that sick perhaps i should give it a try hehe
not looking for another daw though, settled well with live. But
it looks odd

BAKOY_MUSIC · Post by **BAKOY_MUSIC** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:27 pm

a couple of afternoons, some demo songs and it didn't start to look odd at all, really interested to see what others think, cos' as you know, we think it's sick, the arrangement quickness factor is too quick, it rips !

We didn't want to get into another daw either, but it's ... sick !
The sound quality is (sorry, once again) . . . sick !

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:29 pm

Maninkari · Post by **Maninkari** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:16 pm

BAKOY_MUSIC wrote:anyone tried this, from the makers of FL

http://www.renoise.com/download/renoise/

talk about quick

the way it reads the sequence is more intuitive and realistic

it's sick

renoise is from the makers of FL? didn't know that.

renoise rocks. especially for stuff like breakcore. venetian snares is using it

I use it for making loops and breaky/complex things. I prefer ableton for psytrance though.