Macbook built in audio: 61 samples! 3.74 ms latency!!
Macbook built in audio: 61 samples! 3.74 ms latency!!
I am absolutely floored by how well CoreAudio works with even the built in audio on my MacBook. I wish someone would have told me this a long time ago as I battled XP performance issues.
I am now in mobile heaven. Especially since I work 80% in the box. I don't need anything but my MacBook and headphones, and I'm off making music! And sometimes a midi keyboard.
I have the Korg nanokey as well, and that is true mobile heaven.
I also did upgrade the HD to a 7200 RPM drive.
I am now in mobile heaven. Especially since I work 80% in the box. I don't need anything but my MacBook and headphones, and I'm off making music! And sometimes a midi keyboard.
I have the Korg nanokey as well, and that is true mobile heaven.
I also did upgrade the HD to a 7200 RPM drive.
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Don't expect to run anything more than a few tracks and a couple of plugins at that latency before you get clicks and glitching and need to step up. I don't mean to rain on your parade, I mean it is good that you are getting those results but there are other things to consider too.
Really, you don't need that low a latency anyway, except when recording / tracking instruments or voice, for most situations, 256 samples is fine and when mixing down your music, 512 or 1,024 samples is fine and takes a strain off the CPU.
XP isn't the problem. Drivers are the problem. I could easily match your latency with my Echo Indigo IO card, especially using Reason (Live is a lot more CPU intensive than many DAW programs), on win XP as it had great drivers. There are some cards that have terrible drivers full stop, for XP, Vista or Mac OSX. The mac's inbuilt audio is also arse for recording vocals and instruments, as are the inbuilt soundcards in almost every PC.
My current interface the Alesis IO14 FW, I can use Live at 128 samples if only a few tracks, but by the time I've gotten to my usual 30 tracks or so and dozens of plugins, it's up at 512 samples or more by the time I'm mixing. It does have direct monitoring which helps but then you are not routing it through Live's mixer, so unless you are adding FX as you record, it is dry. However, it has great preamps for it's price and good performance specs with s/n ratios etc - we're not talking RME quality here, but very acceptable for an interface in this price range.
Really, you don't need that low a latency anyway, except when recording / tracking instruments or voice, for most situations, 256 samples is fine and when mixing down your music, 512 or 1,024 samples is fine and takes a strain off the CPU.
XP isn't the problem. Drivers are the problem. I could easily match your latency with my Echo Indigo IO card, especially using Reason (Live is a lot more CPU intensive than many DAW programs), on win XP as it had great drivers. There are some cards that have terrible drivers full stop, for XP, Vista or Mac OSX. The mac's inbuilt audio is also arse for recording vocals and instruments, as are the inbuilt soundcards in almost every PC.
My current interface the Alesis IO14 FW, I can use Live at 128 samples if only a few tracks, but by the time I've gotten to my usual 30 tracks or so and dozens of plugins, it's up at 512 samples or more by the time I'm mixing. It does have direct monitoring which helps but then you are not routing it through Live's mixer, so unless you are adding FX as you record, it is dry. However, it has great preamps for it's price and good performance specs with s/n ratios etc - we're not talking RME quality here, but very acceptable for an interface in this price range.
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I used to use the built in soundcard for live gigs... but the last 2 times I hadn't enough power out, and the engineer had to boost up the sono amps and console and that was crappy... He barked at me so strong that I now bring my ultralite to my gigs (when I have some! lol )
but no latency or clipping problems for me with it. really good one, without any hiss. Good work apple.
but no latency or clipping problems for me with it. really good one, without any hiss. Good work apple.
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my dell d630 ain't pretty like a macbook, and it's plain ugly compared to a mbp, but it's rock solid @ about half the price. love it.
Oh yeah, it has 4 usb ports and built-in firewire, and a pcmcia slot and an expresscard slot.
The pcmcia slot allows me to use my RME Multiface card, which gives me 0.7ms of latency - the look on Ethios's face when he played a guitar through my setup using Guitar Rig with less latency than most Pods was awesome
Oh yeah, it has 4 usb ports and built-in firewire, and a pcmcia slot and an expresscard slot.
The pcmcia slot allows me to use my RME Multiface card, which gives me 0.7ms of latency - the look on Ethios's face when he played a guitar through my setup using Guitar Rig with less latency than most Pods was awesome
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sparklepuff wrote:Using the onboard sound on my MacBook Pro is a joke. Pop-pop-crackle-HISSSSSSSSS-pop-glitch-crackle-crackle
Hm, sounds pretty sweet if you are into Minimal Music
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Never had any troubles using the built in audio on my MBP when writing CPU intensive tunes on the road. I don't use it for playing live, but I've definitely run much higher CPU projects when writing tunes than my live or DJ sets would ever use and it's worked fine.
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That experience totally changed my expectations about what is possible with latency! I got the latency on my Firebox down pretty low now, but still nothing like the instantaneous response of your RME!nebulae wrote:The pcmcia slot allows me to use my RME Multiface card, which gives me 0.7ms of latency - the look on Ethios's face when he played a guitar through my setup using Guitar Rig with less latency than most Pods was awesome