OS deadlock - what's everyone doing?

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OS deadlock - what's everyone doing?

Post by Macrostructure » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:59 am

I'd prefer it if this didn't become another Mac vs PC thread.

Maybe I'm just after some sympathy here and nothing else, dunno.

Here's my situation:

I have a PC laptop that is getting quite slow now. It's running XP. I'm totally Microsoft all the way in my computing. If I upgrade my laptop now I'll either be putting XP on a spanking new machine, invalidating the warranty, or braving the Vista situation. I use Vista at work and strongly dislike the workflow.
Alternative is I wait for Windows 7, but the wait for drivers could be 18 months to 2 years from now. That is too long.
Or I buy a Mac for 70% more money and go through the process of changing over. I am dreading this. For a start there is no native equal to Wavelab for Macs - correct?

Useful input please...

Cheers...

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Post by ollyb303 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:02 pm

You could always buy a new laptop with XP. Dell still do some machines (e.g. Vostro) which come with XP pro installed and they also supply Vista on a disc in case you want/need it at a later date. Not sure if any other mfrs do the same thing?
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Post by Macrostructure » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:05 pm

ollyb303 wrote:You could always buy a new laptop with XP. Dell still do some machines (e.g. Vostro) which come with XP pro installed and they also supply Vista on a disc in case you want/need it at a later date. Not sure if any other mfrs do the same thing?
Yup, I saw that but the Vostro seems a bit limited in spec.

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Re: OS deadlock - what's everyone doing?

Post by hoffman2k » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:07 pm

Macrostructure wrote: For a start there is no native equal to Wavelab for Macs - correct?
Waveburner, Soundtrack pro, those adobe audio apps, peak, soundsoap,..

Saying there is no equal to wavelab is a bit strong. Sure these apps are all different, some may even be better or worse. Its al subjective anyway.

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Post by ollyb303 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:09 pm

Macrostructure wrote:Yup, I saw that but the Vostro seems a bit limited in spec.
Really? Mine is Core2Duo 2.4GHz, 4Gb Ram, 250Gb HD, GeForce 8400 M GS, 4 x usb 2.0, 1 x Firewire 400... I use it for live gigs and serious studio projects and I've never seen my CPU go above 48% - runs sweet as a nut on XP pro.

Or were you looking for a quad core?
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Post by rikhyray » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:13 pm

I think IBM and Dell are the only options, for many other you might have problem finding drivers since some never wrote for XP.
I was victim of anti Vista propaganda, so it was nice surprise witrh some adjustments it works fine for music and better for everything else. I installed XP after using Vista for a week and I wont go back to XP. Might do a performance partition- no network etc but I am not sure if I do it with Vista or XP.

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Post by andydes » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:13 pm

A lot of companies have a business range that have a Vista with XP downgrade option. It's a better plan than just installing XP yourself on a new vista machine, as you can have all sorts of grief with drivers. Shouldn't cost you much more than getting a consumer model. Less than a mac anyway.

Even a shithole like PC World does it (UK):

http://www.pcwb.com/catalogue/Computers/Laptop/Laptops

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Post by Warminstrel » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:20 pm

Tiny XP ....ftw

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Post by Warminstrel » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:43 pm

Warminstrel wrote:Tiny XP ....ftw
...dows

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Post by boraxx » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:08 pm

i see what you did there

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Re: OS deadlock - what's everyone doing?

Post by Macrostructure » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:29 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
Macrostructure wrote: For a start there is no native equal to Wavelab for Macs - correct?
Waveburner, Soundtrack pro, those adobe audio apps, peak, soundsoap,..

Saying there is no equal to wavelab is a bit strong. Sure these apps are all different, some may even be better or worse. Its al subjective anyway.
More of an error than strong :)

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Post by Macrostructure » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:37 pm

ollyb303 wrote:
Macrostructure wrote:Yup, I saw that but the Vostro seems a bit limited in spec.
Really? Mine is Core2Duo 2.4GHz, 4Gb Ram, 250Gb HD, GeForce 8400 M GS, 4 x usb 2.0, 1 x Firewire 400... I use it for live gigs and serious studio projects and I've never seen my CPU go above 48% - runs sweet as a nut on XP pro.

Or were you looking for a quad core?
That sounds excellent, I will re-check. Thanks !

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Post by ollyb303 » Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:58 pm

HTH :)

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Post by Tarekith » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:37 pm

I just jumped from using Wavlab for years to Wave Editor by Audiofile, works very well, though doesn't have all the features of Wavelab.

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Post by Moody » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:43 pm

What are the specs for the PC you are running now? Bumping your memory up to 4GB and doing a reload may be a huge boost for performance. Especially if this is a machine you mulittask on.
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