Yes, the C74 guy said that would be possibleMachinesworking wrote: My biggest questions now are if Jitter is going to be integrated in Live in a way to use it real time. So you could run videos synced to the music, that fired different parts when different clips or scenes are fired? This would be freaking awsome!
Price for MFL?????
True! But still...Hey, I'm gonna buy MfL and sit back and let all the geeks make cool devices which I will use
Max/MSP is a tool that has one big serious disadvantage. It's possibilities are almost endless and it's quite easy to spend months on a big project that has all the new synthesis methods, cool processing algorithms, etc that ends up sounding like shit. This is because, with software like Max (PD, Csound, SC), some users fall into the trap of focusing on the process rather than the result. They are amazed by their own creating of highly complex setups and forget all about the actual sound, which is the only thing the listener cares about. Engineering over art and aesthetics.
Computer: MBP M1Pro 32GB 1TB, MixPre 6 MKII
Hardware: Syntrx II, Matriarch, Hydrasynth, Minifreak, Nord Drum 2, Modular (mainly Make Noise)
Controllers: Push 3, Launchpad Mk3, Launch Control, Sensel Morph, PC4, Nanokontrol
Hardware: Syntrx II, Matriarch, Hydrasynth, Minifreak, Nord Drum 2, Modular (mainly Make Noise)
Controllers: Push 3, Launchpad Mk3, Launch Control, Sensel Morph, PC4, Nanokontrol
-
- Posts: 7251
- Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:34 am
- Contact:
I thought the exact same thing.beats me wrote:When I saw the video on the step sequencer I thought how is that any different than Live's piano roll? .mikemc wrote:Then EVERYone will buy it without a thought, just to get the step sequencer, etc., rather than just a handful of dweebs.
It was as if someone shook up a 6 foot can of blood soda and suddenly popped the top.
There's nothing really wrong with that, though. It's like (some) 20th century art music (serialism, cluster music etc). It's mostly horrible to listen to, but quite interesting to read about and analyze.Korhan wrote:True! But still...Hey, I'm gonna buy MfL and sit back and let all the geeks make cool devices which I will use
Max/MSP is a tool that has one big serious disadvantage. It's possibilities are almost endless and it's quite easy to spend months on a big project that has all the new synthesis methods, cool processing algorithms, etc that ends up sounding like shit. This is because, with software like Max (PD, Csound, SC), some users fall into the trap of focusing on the process rather than the result. They are amazed by their own creating of highly complex setups and forget all about the actual sound, which is the only thing the listener cares about. Engineering over art and aesthetics.
Obviously, the audience is much smaller than the one You'd get with a more populist approach.
-
- Posts: 11416
- Joined: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:30 pm
- Location: Seattle
Just wanted to say a major FUCK YES!! To all this! I'm looking forward to this. This is what Logic should have done with the Environment, their customizable MIDI set up not unlike Max. Apple blew it though, and Ableton/Cycling are definitely crushing all! My first goal Max wise is a replicant of the Step sequencer Emagic made for the Environment, modeled after CV/gate sequencers.Tone Deft wrote:Machinesworking wrote:My guess is MFL will cost between $300 and $479. It includes everything from the Max/MSP Jitter package, and I don't think there's any way it will get bellow $300, hope I'm wrong but.
get a music video from archive.org or the band's web site, drop it into track 1 in arrange view, warp the music (video follows.) put track markers on interesting parts of the track, assign those to a midi note. hit play, play those notes, you're doing real time video cuts. you can also mute the audio on track 1, and cut the video to other music (play with the 'back to arrangement button'). then there's the midi feedback control trick to automtically cut up the video. and so on...run videos synced to the music, that fired different parts when different clips or scenes are fired? This would be freaking awsome!
once data hits Live, the tiger is out of its cage. run max runtime (free) and rewire the data into that or use UDP, I don't know how video would be transmitted, I'm sure it can be done, it's freaking jitter and max, you can do anything you want.The other one is on copy protection. Cycling 74 don't allow you to sell Max/MSP, and they use either PACE or iLock. How does this work with MFL? Are we going to see PACE/iLock and what exactly are they going to offer the random person who gives up on Live, decides that Logic/Cubase/Pro Tools is more to their needs? None of this is really that important to me, but like you guys are mentioning, if you get desperate to get more CPU and want to offline process some Jitter stuff on another computer, is PACE gonna kick in and screw the pooch??
condra wrote:My new sig.deva wrote: Hey, I'm gonna buy MfL and sit back and let all the geeks make cool devices which I will use
.
Okay - I'm getting confused now - I was sure Gerhard said in the video that you don't have to own it to use the devices, but I just found this post on the C74 forum from Jeremy, one of the guys who's been working on it
http://www.cycling74.com/forums/index.p ... msg_162506OK, here's the "definitive answer":
Users cannot use Max Devices without installing Max, obviously. Once Max is installed, they can use them, but they have to put Live into demo mode, if they don't own Max for Live.
So maybe this is not exactly what you were hoping for, but you can probably understand why it is going to work this way.
jb
For those individuals discussing live6 to 8 upgrades and whatnot, Go check your upgrade to live7 page in the shop. I saw something this morning to the effect of "live6 to live7 upgrade - 0 USD" Go check.
I would agree with a $300+ cost for MFL, which is a sweet deal for someone like myself who was very much interested in getting into max, but not really into dropping $600 for it. Back to the point though, it's a massive piece of quality software with endless possibilities. I think people are looking at it and going, "that's a lot of money for a step sequencer patch." Well, it's not a f#cking STEP SEQUENCER PATCH!!! It's so much more. It's a programming environment that other individuals are doing so much with outside of music creation.
Stop whining.
I would agree with a $300+ cost for MFL, which is a sweet deal for someone like myself who was very much interested in getting into max, but not really into dropping $600 for it. Back to the point though, it's a massive piece of quality software with endless possibilities. I think people are looking at it and going, "that's a lot of money for a step sequencer patch." Well, it's not a f#cking STEP SEQUENCER PATCH!!! It's so much more. It's a programming environment that other individuals are doing so much with outside of music creation.
Stop whining.
Inspiron 1520 - XP SP3 - Ableton Live7 - Reason 4 - M-Audio Axiom25 - Novation ReMote ZeroSL - Korg PadKontrol - M-Audio MobilePre - Ibanez SGR Bass - Hilo Ukulele
I am not interested in synths etc... I am personally excited about Max for Live for midi effects, cool step sequencers, etc etc... the sorts of midi tools Live is weak in. I have all the cool synths and effects I need.Korhan wrote:True! But still...Hey, I'm gonna buy MfL and sit back and let all the geeks make cool devices which I will use
Max/MSP is a tool that has one big serious disadvantage. It's possibilities are almost endless and it's quite easy to spend months on a big project that has all the new synthesis methods, cool processing algorithms, etc that ends up sounding like shit. This is because, with software like Max (PD, Csound, SC), some users fall into the trap of focusing on the process rather than the result. They are amazed by their own creating of highly complex setups and forget all about the actual sound, which is the only thing the listener cares about. Engineering over art and aesthetics.
I'm beginning to think - if the max devices are not available for all Live users then there should maybe be a runtime version that's a lot cheaper (or even free like the Max one) that allows you to use devices created by others
it seems like there are a lot of people who just want to use the devices others have created, and it seems a bit unfair for them to have to buy the full version
Reaktor does this
it seems like there are a lot of people who just want to use the devices others have created, and it seems a bit unfair for them to have to buy the full version
Reaktor does this
did that.. Reaktor Session has been discontinued for a while now..forge wrote:I'm beginning to think - if the max devices are not available for all Live users then there should maybe be a runtime version that's a lot cheaper (or even free like the Max one) that allows you to use devices created by others
it seems like there are a lot of people who just want to use the devices others have created, and it seems a bit unfair for them to have to buy the full version
Reaktor does this
maybe because of loss of Reaktor sales? because I think a good portion of users would just use ensembles without wanting to edit the guts..
that might have been a point of discussion for mfl as well..
yeah I guess - but I can't imagine how they could give people the whole version of max/msp/jitter for that much less than $699, but it seems a bit harsh to charge people that much if they only want to use other's ensemblesPoster wrote:did that.. Reaktor Session has been discontinued for a while now..forge wrote:I'm beginning to think - if the max devices are not available for all Live users then there should maybe be a runtime version that's a lot cheaper (or even free like the Max one) that allows you to use devices created by others
it seems like there are a lot of people who just want to use the devices others have created, and it seems a bit unfair for them to have to buy the full version
Reaktor does this
maybe because of loss of Reaktor sales? because I think a good portion of users would just use ensembles without wanting to edit the guts..
that might have been a point of discussion for mfl as well..
anyway...we'll see
me thinks free and open source user libraries will pop up in no time after the release..Hertz SM wrote:Poster: "that might have been a point of discussion for mfl as well.."
Me thinks that any discussion about "MFL Session" is needless as long as there's no well equipped library for passive MFL-users. No beef -> no interest.
you see what it did for Reaktor? I guess that is what Ableton and Cycling want to happen as well..
huge and free patch archive = massive attraction