Group Buy: Aether Reverb

[Ballack13]

2 questions;
How does this group buy thing work? Seriously you compared this to Altiverb? You own Altiverb? Just asking cos that's pretty nice.

[Bionecteur]

2 questions;
How does this group buy thing work? Seriously you compared this to Altiverb? You own Altiverb? Just asking cos that's pretty nice.

Hi...

over there at KVR audio is a nice explanation how the group buy works.

In my opinion it is a different beast to Altiverb ( only IR) an not comparable. I am not an expert, but I trust my ears. The Aether Reverb is a very very good sounding reverb and for everything under 200 Euro a no brainer. I own the UAD PLATE 140 and see the AE as a very nice addition, but for me for mainly unrealistic rooms and sound effects.
What I like the most on AE is the warmth (normally I hate this word, but I can ´t find any other expl. right now) you are able to create.

[grimleyj]

Re: The GUI. I really like the "Berlin Small" skin. What exactly did others not like about the GUI.
In any case, I think this thing sounds fantastic.

[3dot...]

what about reselling?! can you?

[glitchrock-buddha]

what about reselling?! can you?

Yes I'm pretty sure I've seen Andrew from Galbanum/2C say that it can be transferred.

[scientist]

What exactly did others not like about the GUI.

it looks like the inside of a bouncy castle at an emo kid's birthday party. plus i like controls to stick to a grid...not into the circular thing. having the visual eq is great tho.

In any case, I think this thing sounds fantastic.

agreed. gonna do a bit more a/b'ing, but at this point i'm more than likely gonna spring.

[b0unce]

2 questions;
How does this group buy thing work? Seriously you compared this to Altiverb? You own Altiverb? Just asking cos that's pretty nice.

Howdy,
I own a couple analogue hardware reverbs, and one software reverb which is Altiverb (not including LIVE's reverb - but I do use it too, once in a while in long FX chains).

Aether is indeed comparable to Altiverb in as much as it sounds really really nice, but they offer different functions.


Altiverb is a convolution reverb, meaning you can make your own IR (impulse response) from any space, or even from vintage/modern EQ's ....run the test signal through a space or device, capture the end result and Altiverb does the rest. There's always new IRs. Altiverb is very expensive, but comparable in cost to your average hardware unit that doesn't do half as much - and it's worth every penny, it really is the dog's bollox - but you'll be saving a while. It's also invaluable for people who do sound for visual media IMO.

Also, I want to correct something elexicano said earlier about convolution reverbs. Whilst I haven't used them all, I do use altiverb ...and it is obscenely low on cpu. Much lower than aether. When you load up an IR in Altiverb, (like a large stadium or cathedral) you get a hit of 25% cpu for a fraction of a second while the IR loads, then it runs at a steady 4% cpu strain and sounds like pure gold - it is the stuff of science fiction...no shit. I've been getting hits of 55% with aether when loading a preset, then running with a steady 25% cpu strain. I run a 2ghz dualcore mac osx 10.4.11 2gigs ram
Anyone who says altiverb is a cpu hog really is full of shit, and they're just perpetuating an internet myth....based on earlier reviews of earlier convolution reverbs on really old computers, probably. That or it's just mass hysteria, I don't know which.


but anyways I want to get back to aether,
Aether sounds...well, etheral....funnily enough. And it's worth the cpu cost IMO. I've been cruising the presets and finding spaces that can clobber altiverb, but hey that's apples and oranges. Altiverb is a pricey convolution reverb and offers all the magic of Impulse Response sorcery and endless libraries of IRs, and aether is (for the moment) a very affordable synthetic/algo reverb.

I've been holding out for an algo reverb to compliment altiverb for ages, and aether is it for me Any reverb nut who might be saving up for altiverb would be a FOOL to miss out on this opportunity to pick up Aether for peanuts along the way. I think it's probably worth the $250 it previously cost and the $350 it's going to cost, but I haven't tried every reverb (demo) available - just a few of the better known ones. Anyways, owning altiverb I wouldn't have been able to justify that much cash on another software reverb at the moment - especially since it's so lean on cpu (take note elexicano). But the group-buy is super generous of 2caudio/Galbanum ...and aren't we lucky!

Finally, there are DEMOS for Aether and altiverb and all the rest of them. That's why I wondered if morerecords was sniffing glue, while I take his (wrong) opinion on board regarding the sound, I found it crazy he'd think someone would buy a reverb they didn't like...and he could somehow save them money & disappointment? The only hype I think we're all buying into is the group-buy, it's super value. Whether people like the sound or not is up to them, obviously.


Demos, people, use the demos (and rtfm etc)




PS: I'm 50/50 on the gui....the knobs and visual feedback etc ain't too bad - there's a central EQ reading that's pretty useful...shows you what eq range transients and potential problem spikes are in for quick correction. but the 'canvas' the useful bits are laid onto is kinda naff, and some pictures representing spaces are really naff....and it's a bit on the big side, but WHATEVER! the developer has more than alluded to the fact these issues will be addressed

PPS: Once you've decided you love the sounds and want to purchase a license, joining the group-buy is simple. You buy a kind of coupon from their website, which costs nothing. When the group-buy ends, you will be sent a link via email where you will give your payment details...once the money goes through, you get your serial number and the full functionality of Aether will be unlocked. It's all documented on the website, and from the kvr thread which is linked from page1 of this thread

[glitchrock-buddha]

PS: I'm 50/50 on the gui....and it's a bit on the big side, but WHATEVER!

You know you can change the gui size right? Go into the settings and chose the berlin small. The default large size is horrible. The small version is very nice.

[b0unce]

Thanks!
( I'd have found that out with more tinkering, of course )

[polyslax]

When you load up an IR in Altiverb, (like a large stadium or cathedral)... sounds like pure gold - it is the stuff of science fiction...no shit.

Well said. I love Altiverb so much that I'm really doubting the need for another verb, but I s'pose I should give Aether another tweak or 2 before the deadline passes.

[glitchrock-buddha]

When you load up an IR in Altiverb, (like a large stadium or cathedral)... sounds like pure gold - it is the stuff of science fiction...no shit.

Well said. I love Altiverb so much that I'm really doubting the need for another verb, but I s'pose I should give Aether another tweak or 2 before the deadline passes.

Definitely check it out. It's at about 1/3 of the price it will be in a couple months. If you decide you really don't need it at some point, I'm sure by then someone will be really wanting it that doesn't want to spend 350 on it and you could easily sell it (But you probably wouldn't). I think it will be really well maintained and I've already heard the dev talk about things they're considering for future updates.

As far as Altiverb goes, wow I had no idea it was so efficient. I assumed it was like Logic's Space Designer, which is pretty cpu heavy (strange since all it's other plug-ins are so light on cpu). I don't mind a slightly cpu heavy algo reverb for a send, but I'd love nothing more than a really efficient convolution verb for individual tracks. But I could never spend 600 bucks on a reverb. Altiverb ever spotted used?

[locojohn]

As far as Altiverb goes, wow I had no idea it was so efficient. I assumed it was like Logic's Space Designer, which is pretty cpu heavy (strange since all it's other plug-ins are so light on cpu). I don't mind a slightly cpu heavy algo reverb for a send, but I'd love nothing more than a really efficient convolution verb for individual tracks. But I could never spend 600 bucks on a reverb. Altiverb ever spotted used?

As far as I understood from Andrew (2CAudio/Galbanum), the most CPU-intensive processing comes from handling LR calculations. If you switch off LR and only use ER, you may notice significant decrease in CPU consumption. His advice was, as far as I remember, to use only 1-2 instances of Aether with LR's on the mix bus, but for reverbs on single tracks only use early reflections, thus simulating the natural space for the whole track.

Andrejs

[Bionecteur]

Bounce: sorry , there is no demo for Altiverb actually...but for the rest ...100 % agreement...

2 questions;
How does this group buy thing work? Seriously you compared this to Altiverb? You own Altiverb? Just asking cos that's pretty nice.

Howdy,
I own a couple analogue hardware reverbs, and one software reverb which is Altiverb (not including LIVE's reverb - but I do use it too, once in a while in long FX chains).

Aether is indeed comparable to Altiverb in as much as it sounds really really nice, but they offer different functions.


Altiverb is a convolution reverb, meaning you can make your own IR (impulse response) from any space, or even from vintage/modern EQ's ....run the test signal through a space or device, capture the end result and Altiverb does the rest. There's always new IRs. Altiverb is very expensive, but comparable in cost to your average hardware unit that doesn't do half as much - and it's worth every penny, it really is the dog's bollox - but you'll be saving a while. It's also invaluable for people who do sound for visual media IMO.

Also, I want to correct something elexicano said earlier about convolution reverbs. Whilst I haven't used them all, I do use altiverb ...and it is obscenely low on cpu. Much lower than aether. When you load up an IR in Altiverb, (like a large stadium or cathedral) you get a hit of 25% cpu for a fraction of a second while the IR loads, then it runs at a steady 4% cpu strain and sounds like pure gold - it is the stuff of science fiction...no shit. I've been getting hits of 55% with aether when loading a preset, then running with a steady 25% cpu strain. I run a 2ghz dualcore mac osx 10.4.11 2gigs ram
Anyone who says altiverb is a cpu hog really is full of shit, and they're just perpetuating an internet myth....based on earlier reviews of earlier convolution reverbs on really old computers, probably. That or it's just mass hysteria, I don't know which.


but anyways I want to get back to aether,
Aether sounds...well, etheral....funnily enough. And it's worth the cpu cost IMO. I've been cruising the presets and finding spaces that can clobber altiverb, but hey that's apples and oranges. Altiverb is a pricey convolution reverb and offers all the magic of Impulse Response sorcery and endless libraries of IRs, and aether is (for the moment) a very affordable synthetic/algo reverb.

I've been holding out for an algo reverb to compliment altiverb for ages, and aether is it for me Any reverb nut who might be saving up for altiverb would be a FOOL to miss out on this opportunity to pick up Aether for peanuts along the way. I think it's probably worth the $250 it previously cost and the $350 it's going to cost, but I haven't tried every reverb (demo) available - just a few of the better known ones. Anyways, owning altiverb I wouldn't have been able to justify that much cash on another software reverb at the moment - especially since it's so lean on cpu (take note elexicano). But the group-buy is super generous of 2caudio/Galbanum ...and aren't we lucky!

Finally, there are DEMOS for Aether and altiverb and all the rest of them. That's why I wondered if morerecords was sniffing glue, while I take his (wrong) opinion on board regarding the sound, I found it crazy he'd think someone would buy a reverb they didn't like...and he could somehow save them money & disappointment? The only hype I think we're all buying into is the group-buy, it's super value. Whether people like the sound or not is up to them, obviously.


Demos, people, use the demos (and rtfm etc)




PS: I'm 50/50 on the gui....the knobs and visual feedback etc ain't too bad - there's a central EQ reading that's pretty useful...shows you what eq range transients and potential problem spikes are in for quick correction. but the 'canvas' the useful bits are laid onto is kinda naff, and some pictures representing spaces are really naff....and it's a bit on the big side, but WHATEVER! the developer has more than alluded to the fact these issues will be addressed

PPS: Once you've decided you love the sounds and want to purchase a license, joining the group-buy is simple. You buy a kind of coupon from their website, which costs nothing. When the group-buy ends, you will be sent a link via email where you will give your payment details...once the money goes through, you get your serial number and the full functionality of Aether will be unlocked. It's all documented on the website, and from the kvr thread which is linked from page1 of this thread

[elxicano]

Same here... Thanks b0unce...

I was comparing my experience to Waves' IR, which is a joke in CPU, unless you're using the efficient setting, which also is CPU heavy.

I never tried Altiverb, but with efficiency like that, I can understand the price (especially compared to other IR's).

[glitchrock-buddha]

As far as Altiverb goes, wow I had no idea it was so efficient. I assumed it was like Logic's Space Designer, which is pretty cpu heavy (strange since all it's other plug-ins are so light on cpu). I don't mind a slightly cpu heavy algo reverb for a send, but I'd love nothing more than a really efficient convolution verb for individual tracks. But I could never spend 600 bucks on a reverb. Altiverb ever spotted used?

As far as I understood from Andrew (2CAudio/Galbanum), the most CPU-intensive processing comes from handling LR calculations. If you switch off LR and only use ER, you may notice significant decrease in CPU consumption. His advice was, as far as I remember, to use only 1-2 instances of Aether with LR's on the mix bus, but for reverbs on single tracks only use early reflections, thus simulating the natural space for the whole track.

Andrejs

Oh ya, that was one of the first things I figured out about it. Turn off the Late reflections on Aether and the cpu drops to 1%. So ya, that is a good thing about it.