I didn't get back to you Friday because I was way too busy at work... This weekend was make music weekend not log on to the music maker website and type time. I was pounding bass strings not keys.
@ Tone Deft I really really really see what you meant now. Lesson learned.
Care to elaborate? Seeing how it's kind of "inside" outside type thing.
What I meant here had nothing to do with anything "inside" or hidden. My first post to the thread was on page 3. I must have been typing it while Tone Deft
was making his first appearance as well. He warned:
Tone Deft wrote:- never get involved in hot button issues on the Ableton forum.
I missed it as I was posting. Perhaps seeing his post earlier may have steered me clear as I actually chose to share something about myself that was on topic. Meanwhile, this thread was beginning to roll off road style.
On pages 3, 5 and 6 you will see how he warned about and against OT and people arguing etc. with 3dot
. I also mention a thread I started previously in a post @3dot
DrXparaMental wrote:Illegal immigration DOES NOT FUCKING WORK. Got that?
Seems like its working just fine.
This thread is out of control.
Seems like it's working fine to me.
H2Only wrote:I thought it would be an interesting topic with so many people from different countries on the forum. (1.) Instead, its mostly a bunch of name calling and statistics from a bunch of agencies that couldn't possibly know how much undocumented workers cost because they're "undocumented". Its like guessing what kind of day we're having with your eyes closed. You can only get so close.
(2.)Please don't reply to post if you intend on dragging me into this immigration issue. I don't really care that much. I just can't help myself. I posted very early on in this thread when I thought it was simply about racism. If I've learned anything from this its that there is nothing simple about it. (3.) John Gordon was even going to shoot me because he actually thought I am a racist. I was attempting to contribute. At this point there is nothing more to contribute.
1. So that means that Leisuremuffin's posted statistics were all bullshit concerning his IRS counter tactics? Goody!
This means he yet may in fact have to relinquish his coveted golden douche bag friendship bracelet.
2. Forgive me H2Only, but isn't this sort of a cheap way of "getting the last word on the topic" type of response to the meat of the very discussion that you're terming "out of control" and basically "name calling"
3. John Gordon's a comical sock troll. Didn't you know that? Not real. Just created to get a rouse.
1) Dunno. Not lookig back. No interest in Golden Douche.
2) No its just that when I click on "View your posts" this thread kept having an orange icon next to it and coming back to the top of the list. As I mentioned, initially I was interested in the topic and where it might go. However, this time I wasn't very interested in the off topic and where it was going. After I posted your above quote it even started to get back on topic with the Texas scenario. The fact is I grew up in Texas and when I saw that dumb shit about how
Texas was stolen it actually took a lot of effort on my part to stay out of it (again). I took Texas history (as required by my school district) but its just like the rest of the books on history its HIS-Story. Much like today, I don't think all the people back then were in agreement either. So to say that all
the Texas settlers wanted________ or all
the Mexican settlers wanted _________ is fuckin stupid. I don't really want to be involved in a derailed off topic flame war spouting statistics with loooooong quotes and fucked up name calling although…
DrXparaMental wrote:I don't give a rats rosy red ass if your are Tuvan Throat singing Queen from the Mongolian version of New Orleans.
... is some funny shit.
3) I think I'm hip to the alter ego that is John Gordon
at this point. Still, whether starving student
is misunderstanding my initial point and telling John Gordon
to shoot me or someone else is flipping me off, taking sound bite quotes out of context, or any other form of derailing, demeaning or otherwise deconstructive stance that isn't at least funny and meant in jest rather than spite, the point was clouded. I think racism is lame having been a vitim of it despite the fact that my flesh tone defies the All American norm. Sorry I'm getting back on topic.
So there is my long ass post in response to your questions. Honestly though I don't know how you do this for 10, 15, 20 pages. Its way too much work putting all these quotes and shit together. At the end of the day is anyone enlighened? Did anyone change their mind suddenly? Has someone taken a whole new outlook due to the hundreds of quotes, misquotes, facts, opinions, statistic, staHISstics, and the tens of thousands of words spent talking about these issues? Thats why I think that Tone was right even if his way of expressing his point was a little harsh at times. I didn't come into this thread for that though.
To be honest with all the musicians that did chime in on this we should have all got together and made a sick fucking song about racism. Our time would have been better spent. And surely we could have written plenty of lyrics.