Warping : How to preserve the feel/groove/flow

[K-Swiss]

I know its not an exact science, but how do you preserve the groove of a warp track? I find that if I use too many warp markers it is too constrained.

And how do you know if you are off [against the metronome], or if there is just a heavily pronounced groove?

[longjohns]

And how do you know if you are off [against the metronome], or if there is just a heavily pronounced groove?

whether it sounds good or not?

[K-Swiss]

I thought a good method might be to lock it in tight and constrain it. Then apply a groove later once it is locked in nicely?

[pepezabala]

^^ then you replace the original groove with a different one.

to keep the original groove you would have to work with very little warp markers, like only every 4 or 8 bars. Also you would need to listen closely to the original track to find out if the 1st warp marker sits on the beeat or needs to be a little bit ahead or beyond the 1.

Reggae-drummers for example tend to be a little ahead of the 1. Or was it beyond?

[Willyum]

If I'm doing something where I'm actually using a full bar or more of a sample (drums), I lock beat 1 (kick), and usually only snares on beats 2 and 4. (that's if we're talking 4/4)

[andydes]

If you're on Live 8, could you warp the track straight, exract the groove (of the whole song if you like) and reapply the groove?

Not sure if you'd need to extract the groove before or after warping. I'm still on Live 7, so don't really know how it works, but seems like it could be doable.

[the_woof]

If I'm doing something where I'm actually using a full bar or more of a sample (drums), I lock beat 1 (kick), and usually only snares on beats 2 and 4. (that's if we're talking 4/4)

If you're warping anything that grooves, hip-hop especially, I would avoid putting warp markers anywhere but the 1, and especially don't put them on the 2 and 4. Those snares are usually set a little after the beat to give it a laid-back feel and if you put your markers right on them they'll basically get moved up and you really don't want that.

I usually put warp markers on the first beat of the measure, and only put them in other places when I can't get it to warp properly using a marker on the first beat.

[Tone Deft]

^ the crazy part about warping is studying the groove as you go. warping old soul/funk tunes always trips me out, you can watch the band speed up and slow down, move ahead and behind the beat. Curtis Mayfield is fun for this, no metronome in his studios!

it's in the ear of the mouse holder.

[K-Swiss]

Yeah, I'm trying to educate myself on grooves. I've watched some tutorials, but anyone know of some good music theory-like resources, that break it down into the one-and-two-and- kind of thing?

[Tone Deft]

warp 100 songs in a variety of styles then come back and ask questions.

DO WORK SON!!

[K-Swiss]

No worries Tone Deft Im warping.