So it seems longjohns' three hour limit won't apply here, huh...?garyboozy wrote:It's been given a bug number, but I'm dubious about its chances of being fixed. It's worked in that enraging way since Live got midi.
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... lit=Follow
thanks amaury,Amaury wrote:Anyway: why does follow turn off when you make a selection, or change the zoom level? Because Live assumes you are going to need to see what you select / the location you zoom in/out. Would it not turn Follow OFF, you'd select something to edit it, and would lose the sight of it.
Hi Amaury,Amaury wrote:Hi,
I'll answer here and not in the beta bugs section, as there is no bug here. Maybe the behaviour is not ideal, but at least it seems to work as intended. I'm not sure, also, why I did give a but number to the other thread (was a 1st of April, may be..), at least, it was not the right bug number, sorry about the confusion.
Anyway: why does follow turn off when you make a selection, or change the zoom level? Because Live assumes you are going to need to see what you select / the location you zoom in/out. Would it not turn Follow OFF, you'd select something to edit it, and would lose the sight of it.
Again, there may be better way of thinking about that, but that's how Follow has been implemented a long time ago. I'm happy to receive constructive suggestions, given the above problem.
Regards,
Amaury
Hi,garyboozy wrote:thanks amaury,Amaury wrote:Anyway: why does follow turn off when you make a selection, or change the zoom level? Because Live assumes you are going to need to see what you select / the location you zoom in/out. Would it not turn Follow OFF, you'd select something to edit it, and would lose the sight of it.
as i said in the now-not-a-bug report, i can see why 'follow' switches off when you zoom, or attempt to move a note when the clip/track is playing. that makes perfect sense; trying to edit a note on a scrolling page is pretty difficult, obviously.
what is annoying is that 'follow' is switched off when you select a note when nothing is playing. for me at least, that's the problem.
basically, 'follow' should stay on if you stop playback before editing notes.
Hi,slirak wrote: Thanks for clearing up that bug/no bug confusion.
Well, I suppose there are situations when someone would want the existing behaviour, but in the cases you describe, I don't feel any need for Follow at all, I just scroll and zoom to the part I wanna edit and edit it. But I wouldn't mind having both options of course, as a preference setting or maybe as an Option-Click thingy.
This is when I reach for Follow:
* I have a recording that's played by hand. It needs some tightening, but I want to preserve its naturally loose timing
* I find that I need a zoom level that prevents me from seeing the entire recording at once
* Since I'm trying to preserve the natural groove, I need to hear my edits in realtime, in the context of the surrounding few bars.
* Since what exactly is making the groove happen may not be too obvious if I see only a bar or two, I also need to see my edits in realtime, in the context of the surrounding few bars.
So how do I think it should work? Very simple. If I turn Follow on, it should stay on until I manually turn it off. Period.
As I recall it, that's how it used to work in Cubase. Not that I think Cubase's workflow is a standard Live should measure up to, quite the opposite! But sometimes them Steinberg people did get a thing or two right...
I just tried it in Garageband and it seems to use a slightly different logic: if you edit a note, Follow stops but if you pause after that and then resume playback, Follow is back. I guess that's what garyboozy is asking for? Makes sense. Implement that change and also make it lockable as an option and I'll be a happy camper again.
If I was only allowed to change three things in Live, this would be one of them.
/Jonas
The other two things I'd change:
* Fold for drum racks should fold to the current clip's recorded notes, and unfold to all notes mapped to pads. Unfolding to the piano editor could be optional or completely skipped.
* A way to save default parameter mappings for plug-ins (other than wrapping the plug-in in a rack, that's a really ugly workaround!)
Hi Amaury,Amaury wrote:Hi,slirak wrote: Thanks for clearing up that bug/no bug confusion.
Well, I suppose there are situations when someone would want the existing behaviour, but in the cases you describe, I don't feel any need for Follow at all, I just scroll and zoom to the part I wanna edit and edit it. But I wouldn't mind having both options of course, as a preference setting or maybe as an Option-Click thingy.
This is when I reach for Follow:
* I have a recording that's played by hand. It needs some tightening, but I want to preserve its naturally loose timing
* I find that I need a zoom level that prevents me from seeing the entire recording at once
* Since I'm trying to preserve the natural groove, I need to hear my edits in realtime, in the context of the surrounding few bars.
* Since what exactly is making the groove happen may not be too obvious if I see only a bar or two, I also need to see my edits in realtime, in the context of the surrounding few bars.
So how do I think it should work? Very simple. If I turn Follow on, it should stay on until I manually turn it off. Period.
As I recall it, that's how it used to work in Cubase. Not that I think Cubase's workflow is a standard Live should measure up to, quite the opposite! But sometimes them Steinberg people did get a thing or two right...
I just tried it in Garageband and it seems to use a slightly different logic: if you edit a note, Follow stops but if you pause after that and then resume playback, Follow is back. I guess that's what garyboozy is asking for? Makes sense. Implement that change and also make it lockable as an option and I'll be a happy camper again.
If I was only allowed to change three things in Live, this would be one of them.
/Jonas
The other two things I'd change:
* Fold for drum racks should fold to the current clip's recorded notes, and unfold to all notes mapped to pads. Unfolding to the piano editor could be optional or completely skipped.
* A way to save default parameter mappings for plug-ins (other than wrapping the plug-in in a rack, that's a really ugly workaround!)
So, what you wish for is a "pause follow" right? Meaning that when starting editing something while the set is playing, follow is stopped, but it is resumed after you stop and restart the transport? Is that right?
Regards,
Amaury
garyboozy wrote:basically, 'follow' should stay on if you stop playback before editing notes.
it was then tagged with a bug number. almost 2 years ago.Amaury wrote:I see. Indeed, when the song is stopped, Follow shouldn't turn OFF when you edit something, that makes sense.