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SimonPHC wrote:

leisuremuffin wrote: just because black metal is sometimes about murder doesn't mean its listeners murder.
just because hip hop sometimes refers to crime doesn't mean its listeners are criminals.

just because people listen to House music, that doesn't mean they'll be methed up old queens.
just because Techno encourages people to consume as much drugs as possible, that doesn't mean they'll consume as much drugs as possible.

fixed your post.



what a train wreck of a thread.






.lm.

dredd i knight wrote:ok no hitler stuff.
but the valid points i made earlier in this thread were ignored by you.
ie You made it racial.
that you're judging peeps on some pretty flimsy evidnce.
and the mozart point is that all types of people are doing bad shit in many neighbouhoods, and its kinda fucked trhat you're turning fear of your neighbours into SHADY goings on. its making you sound a little brainwashed by news, media, and all that other bullshit, that you often seem to see right through.
its nothing to do with hip hop listeners dude, you see that now right?

You want me to admit my neighbor being black enters into it? OK done.

The fact is races have tension with each other when they act like the negative stereotypes of their race. I have just as much issue with any other race acting out the negative stereotypes of BLACK Hip Hop culture. You're the one honing in on just one element of what I'm talking about. Now that I've admitted it on this one scenario I hope you feel vindicated for whatever reason.

My BLACK coworker and I have similar discussions and he's just as irritated at commercial Hip Hop culture as I am. I suppose to you think that makes him some kind of racist against his own race and think he finds it perfectly acceptable when non-black races act the same way.

I don't need to watch the news for this shit. Have you ever listened to Hip Hop lyrics or watched a Hip Hop video?

ive indicated in my posts that i dont like thug rap, i said it was shit a few posts back. i'm just as irritated by commercial rap as you and your BLACK co-worker are.

my point was that the way they act has NOTHING to do with hip hop, playing hip hop loud or shady activity. also that i found it depressing that you were saying that. and the roundabout way you implied this PROBABLY wasnt a race thing even though the whole post read as a subtext that entwined rap, thug, black and hip hop together.

what you make is just as hip hop as that thug stuff, you might call it trip hop... i wont even go down that bullshit legitimization of predominantly black artforms argument but hey...

i said that it sounds like prejudice because it did. i didnt judge you on it, or call you racist, i looked beyond that and said maybe you cant judge people you dont know shit about.

and yeah like i wanna come on to the abes forum and hear a ton of yeah me too, those thug mothers are so stupid...i equate shady and hip hop too.

judging hip hop music and those that listen to it in a broad brush stroke, be they whatever colour is still bullshit. and those mozart listening mothers are still doing shit behind the scenes... i should know i listen to mozart.

beats me wrote: You want me to admit my neighbor being black enters into it? OK done.

The fact is races have tension with each other when they act like the negative stereotypes of their race. I have just as much issue with any other race acting out the negative stereotypes of BLACK Hip Hop culture. You're the one honing in on just one element of what I'm talking about. Now that I've admitted it on this one scenario I hope you feel vindicated for whatever reason.

I think races have tensions period....that is just human anthropology, and does not insinuate superiority. I am a jew and between us Ashkenazi (european) and the sephardi (middle eastern), there is tremendous racism....the funny thing is everybody hates us.....
Fortunatley for those of us who are civilized, we can emperically get over our issues and see people for their character, integrity, honor, humanity and similarities........

You are now reading this in an 80 year old grandmas voice.

beats me wrote:So I spoke to my roommate who was up later than me last night and he went out for a midnight smoke and noticed a car moving slowly down the street. Our neighbor's light quickly flickered on and off about 3 times, the car pulled up aside the apartment, and 2 white dudes in wife beaters hopped over the balcony railing, bolted to the car, and the car zoomed off.

Now this could all be good clean fun but I'm telling you Mozart enthusiasts don't do this shit and I feel like I'm living some ghetto version of Alfred Hitchcock's Rear Window.

You're obviously possessed by the soul of an old woman, no doubt.

beats me wrote:but I'm telling you Mozart enthusiasts don't do this shit

You are correct.

Mozart enthusiasts create giant Ponzi schemes that bilk people out of billions, concoct impossibly horrid investment packages based on mortgages doomed to fail THEN sell insurance to those same investors that also isn't worth a shit, and engineer wars so that their companies can rake in billions during the 'rebuilding' process.

I just wanted to make an appearance on this thread.


I have nothing useful to add.

Lets all just be glad we're not a ginger.



Eww sick.

beats me wrote:

dredd i knight wrote:yep sounds like some kinda predjudice to me. thsi isnt a serious question right?
and the assumptions that telling somebody from another group, wouldnt equate with trouble sounds naive too; depends on whose telli em and how big/ bad they are. the jumping out back thing is weird, but not proof of anything illeagal. does listening to wasp music, rock or heavy metal, or country, or gabba, and hardcore german techno equate with racist activity?

Like I said, I don't think it's a racist issue. If the people living next to me were white but also blasting Hip Hop, talking all "yo,yo,yo", dressing like thugs, and frequently hopping their balcony I'd have the same assumption.

The difference with most other music genres is they don't sensationalize illegal activities and disrespect and usually don't promote a whole lifestyle beyond just enjoying the sound. There are some other music genres that do that too though, just not with the same mass appeal as Hip Hop.

beats me, i think you're an alright guy. are you single? you sound cute.

Hah, I have to admit I didn't read the whole thread, but this really reminds me of the episode of Family Guy I watched on BBC3 a few nights back... the one where Meg becomes a pop star and the family all wear orange suits and sing and dance behind her.

Brian (as Dr Dre walks into the recording studio): Hey Dr Dre WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! RAR! RAR! RAR! Oh man I'm sorry that just happens sometimes when I see a black person. Really sorry man, it's just something my father used to do... I'm sorry, are we cool?
Dr Dre: Ah yeah, we cool Brian. Ah, so I was gonna give you all this... (hands out piece of paper)
Brian: WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! RAR! RAR! RAR! Oh MAN! I am SO sorry Dr, I... I don't know what came over me... I'm like, so SORRY. It's just, like, an instinct. Sorry man, are we cool?
Dr Dre: ...

So to answer the OP... nope, I don't equate Hip Hop listenership with shady activity. The guy upstairs from me is listening to hip hop right now. He's a nice helpful guy, he's a chef, pretty normal. What can I say? He's Italian though, so maybe I should only worry about Hip Hop fans if they aren't white? Holy crap. Should I worry about myself when I listen to Hip Hop? Am I more likely to break the law when I play Hip Hop?

No, I think I have the answer... I equate racism with shady activity. Go and make some friends who are not white.

I think I put more effort into this thread than I really intended but think it's all good food for thought. I have a lot of passing thoughts that sound extreme in the explanation but I'm really not all that passionate about it.

I'm sure large gatherings of people blasting Hip Hop and acting the part will continue to raise my eyebrow, but as I insinuated in the first post, maybe I've just reached that age where I'm out of touch with what's hip and acceptable….just like all previous generations. But I still think there's a huge downward slide between Elvis's hip gyrations and shooting people full of holes while banging a bitch who don't mean shit.

If you don't have the same neighbors I do I recommend DJing a 16-year-old girls birthday party using her playlist, a true eye opener and a feeling that the FBI might break down the door at any minute and arrest your ass. Scarier yet if her wine drinking parents hit the dance floor with them giving you the thumbs up and singing along with "lick my pussy, lick my crack….."

If I remeber correct, this guy was gangsta rap fan......

aisling wrote:If I remeber correct, this guy was gangsta rap fan......

He's shady as fuck though... look at the those bangs.
and them horn rims

@beatsme: peace!
now thats hip hop yo
(still think that tune Naked could do with some stupid thug shit on it, then it be bangin boyeee)

aisling wrote:If I remeber correct, this guy was gangsta rap fan......

He knows how to deliver a beat down on a copy machine.

dredd i knight wrote:

aisling wrote:If I remeber correct, this guy was gangsta rap fan......

He's shady as fuck though... look at the those bangs.
and them horn rims