New Mac OSX Daw - Harrison Mixbuss

[supamonsta]

I just don't get it, what do you mean?

[timothyallan]

Nebula is a software plugin, AlexB makes programs + addons for it.

[supamonsta]

Ok then, I never heard about that.

Some on gearslutz compare HMB with propellerhead record and its SSL console emulation, but they seem to prefer HMB.

do Nebula + addons provide something like HMB? I'll check that.

cheers

[marcoskohler]

I haven't tried Mixbus at all yet...I probably won't as long as you have to pay 80$ to demo/beta the program....but I don't see how a little saturation on each track really makes that much of a positive difference. I have also tried Nebula, which everyone raves about, but I could barely notice any difference using the Free version and testing some presets. Would love to have examples of someones re-mixed song in HMB vs. original DAW.

[3phase]

ther is probably more involved than just saturation.. high and lowpass filtering on each chanel.. maybe some phase modulation..
a little k2 generation..aso..

someone has mentioned that there is even some crosstalk... but i dont know if i should belive that...

[supamonsta]

Mixbus 1.1 is now stable, even if you still can encounter specific problems,

but for the simple workflow of mixing down imported stems, it's totally reliable and gives lots of ear and workflow pleasure!

I'm not an engineer, I didn't make some tests, but it's definitivelygood sounding.

Perhap's there is some placebo effect, but I don't care because in 1h30mn I made a mixdown that really pleased me much more than the several ones I made in ableton for the same track.

If you want, I'll upload the 2 mixes of the track. will take a moment before doing so.

I really don't feel as a paying beta tester, and I'm happy that snow makes me stay at home this weekend, so I can enjoy HMB all the weekend!!

Lots of people don't see "how a little saturation on each track really makes that much of a positive difference", but every one that uses mixbus is relly enjoying it.

1) for the sound
2) but also for the improved mixing workflow, and even without sounding particular, this single point makes a huge difference.
3) price : 80$. no comment!

I know it's difficult to only "believe", and I'll try to upload 2 mixes for the ones that are interested in A/Bing HMB vs Live.

@ 3phase: what is crosstalk?

cheers

EDIT: I don't adverstise or advise to get rid of Live, HMB is crap for composition (no midi!!!), and ableton live is the most open and ease of use tool for composition IMHO.

I just have now a super great tool for my mixdowns, and this gives me a new breath. 80$ for this pleasure is a joke, I bet this little price will not stay as it is too long...

[supamonsta]

Ok, sound files uploaded :

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=5f00 ... 3bd6dcbfa2

(you have to downoad the files separately if you're not premium user)

one is an ableton mixdown I just re-worked the same way as HMB's mixdown (named "hadgehog edition" because "harrison" resembles "hérisson", that, in french, means "hedgehog"), trying to match the sound I made in HMB.

the noticeable difference is that I added a little reverb on the claps and hihats in the HMB mix, that is not present in the ableton mix.

I made no panning stuff in either mixes. the sidechain compression is a very little bit different, since I "sidechain-compressed" the stems individually with slightly different values before importing them in HMB. but still really really slightly different values. (bass sub, bass grungy stuff, other synth sounds and the wiiiiish rise)

A/Bing the 2 isn't so much astonishing, at the end. I'm a bit disappointed, and some of you may laugh at that

anyway, I still can hear a difference in the low end and low mids, HMB's seeming more warm on this side, but that just may be some placebo and/or differences in EQing.

So here is the point, the difference is not so huge. I'm still prefering the HMB mix anyway (placebo?)

HMB still is really good for me as it allows me to get away from live and the arrangement, then beeing finaaly able to FINISH my tracks.

The mixing workflow is for me really better in HMB, since everything is handy, ready there in the console strips.

tell me what you think of these 2 mixdowns,

it's wav 24bits/44khz files, with no "mastering", so the volume is low, but I tried to have the 2 files at nearly the same. it peaks around -6, and runs around -10db. (approx. 80mb each. the ableton mix has more silence before and after the song)

cheers

[djanthonyw]

Has anyone that's been using Mixbus tried Airwindows Desk? If so, how do they compare?

http://www.airwindows.com/desk.html

[supamonsta]

Desk is 49$ only, but has to be set on EACH channel of your DAW,

it has NO graphical interface, it is not a mixing console, it has no DAW in it, no tape saturation, no mixbusses, no easy channel strips...

so Desk is a bit cheaper than Mixbus, but mixbus provides a huge lots of more stuff, and IMHO the 2 are not comparable. I dind't try Desk, but getting on the site does not really attract me...

my 2 euro cents

[djanthonyw]

I have to say your mix on Mixbus sounds a lot better! I'll probably be getting Mixbus. I bet if you told people you mixed it on an analog console people would believe you.

[supamonsta]

I have to say your mix on Mixbus sounds a lot better!

thanks! you're the first to give feedback about the 2 mixdowns I uploaded...

I just finished the rearrangement / recording / mixdown / "mastering" of my new EP (see my signature), all 6 tracks were finally mixdowned in Harisson Mixbus, and it was really pleasant to separate the ableton arrangement/recording phase from the harisson mixdown phase. Really easy to get good sounding mixes, and quick workflow (having all stems already well recorded and pre-mixdowned in the ableton phase, so no need to automate lots of stuff, and no need for heavy processing, plugins...)

I use HMB as a final mix console, to polish and make better the mixdown already made at the creation phase of the whole process, and it's really good inn terms of workflow, it really makes me able to FINISH tracks, thing that I was never able to before I got HMB!

I still don't know if it really sounds better, but while making your mixing workflow easy it may allow you to finally make better sounding mixdowns...

so for other examples of HMB mixdowns, you can check the 6 tracks of "The Giant SupaKlash Remasters" on my bandcamp or soundcloud accounts (files were mixdowned 24 bits in HMB with lots of headroom, no plugins, only levels, EQs, mixbusses with tape sat, Eqs. all compression and sidechaining stuff done in live, I stil can't manage to make a sidechain routage in HMB. Files then "mastered" with hard limiting (I know, that's "not good", but I wanted these tracks to sound harsh, fat and loud, for the dance floors) and dither to 16 bits WAVS, then compressed to 320K mp3s. On bandcamp, I uploaded the 16 bits wav files, so the user can download hi-resolution ogg or flac files instead of 320K mp3s if he prefers))

Ola!

I wish you the best for this new year,

cheers

[reeloy]

....to put one thing straight here, for all got doubts about it....

Mixbus ist THE WEAPON for high profile mixdowns on cheap value...

The more tracks you feed it, the better it sounds....simple as that...

Don't bother to get in sync or use it as a backend in logic....do the extra job and tape your tracks individually...wherever they might come from...and drop them into mixbus....
And mix.....only five years ago the same result would have cost you an extra engineer and thousands of bucks.....promise....
Mixbus is a present...it could cost 800 dollars an it still would be priceless...

Stop promoting it and make it a "for those who know only app"....because mixbus really makes a difference....the difference....

[nylarch]

You dont want to "bounce all tracks" in ableton, as any adjustments you make to track will not be reflected by the separate send effect bounce that Ableton made (pan a synth hard left, the separate reverb bounce will stay in the middle) - so you'll be soloing each Ableton track and bouncing individually.

Sorry for being dense but could you explain this a bit further? I've been bouncing all tracks and dropping them into Logic for mixing (a workflow I really love) and I assumed since it bounced all of the sends that I was getting exactly what was going through each send. So I was assuming as long as I had the sends included as audio tracks in Logic I was starting exactly where I left off in Ableton. But this not the case?

[rekloos]

....to put one thing straight here, for all got doubts about it....

Mixbus ist THE WEAPON for high profile mixdowns on cheap value...

The more tracks you feed it, the better it sounds....simple as that...

Don't bother to get in sync or use it as a backend in logic....do the extra job and tape your tracks individually...wherever they might come from...and drop them into mixbus....
And mix.....only five years ago the same result would have cost you an extra engineer and thousands of bucks.....promise....
Mixbus is a present...it could cost 800 dollars an it still would be priceless...

Stop promoting it and make it a "for those who know only app"....because mixbus really makes a difference....the difference....

so uv upgraded to v2?
i gave up on v1, too many issues to deal with and till they provide a demo of the new
version i wont make the jump.....

[abl385]

The guy's voice is really annoying..