What PRO isn't using a Mac on stage?

[Machinesworking]

You don't have to like the music to appreciate their influence. I'm not a fan of the Ramones, but if I played punk I certainly wouldn't call the Ramones music utter shit.

Anytime you use break beats and other more organic funk/rock elements in electronic music, you're just doing something Kraftwerk did 35 years ago.

I like a lot of electronic music. Their work is at the bottom of my list, below even tiesto,sasha and digweed. Its worse than garbage, its cringeworthy elevator music at best.

Name groups you like, and no doubt they were influenced by Kraftwerk. Open your mind up a bit. I certainly don't listen to Buddy Holly expecting a wailing hammer on solo. Also, pretty much anything past Computer World is Kraftwerk imitating themselves IMO.

[ThrowAway]

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Name groups you like, and no doubt they were influenced by Kraftwerk. Open your mind up a bit. I certainly don't listen to Buddy Holly expecting a wailing hammer on solo. Also, pretty much anything past Computer World is Kraftwerk imitating themselves IMO.

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Im not doubting they had their impact on people. Im just saying that the musical content is not any where near as good as people make them out to be.

[Machinesworking]

Im not doubting they had their impact on people. Im just saying that the musical content is not any where near as good as people make them out to be.

Name one other group doing electronic music in the late 60's/70's that has as much influence to this day.

Music is subjective at best, your taste doesn't matter in this conversation. I'm sure there are plenty of groups you like that I don't care for, this is about influence. No doubt groups you love were inspired by Kraftwerk, and in that respect it's ironic at best that you're trying to make some point about not being personally inspired by them.

[ThrowAway]

jean michel jarre,Stockhausen,Ron Grainer.

Im really not trying to argue if they influential or not. I was just stating my observation of people thinking how good they are because of when they came out and how I think its really really terrible music.

[gjm]

not knowing kraftwerk is an amazing hole in your head, no matter what music you are into

I'll trust you and Machinesworking then.

BUT please don't start making the same kinds of myopic outlandish sweeping statements that claim you not only know about every bodies cultural upbringing but also that every person fits inside one tiny little box with statements like the following

or let's put it another way...

the only excuse you can have to not ever have heard of kraftwerk is not having ANY interest nor knowledge about music at all.

There are many people who are serious guitar players who have never heard of Fernando Sor. To say that a person must have no interest in music because while they love and appreciate what Hendrix did for guitar but have no awareness of what Sor did for guitar is just silliness.

I actually do not have much interest in electronic music, or the history of electronic music. My primary interest lies in 14th-18th century Lute and Guitar music. However, to say that because I don't know anything about kraftwerk I therefore have no interest or knowledge about music at all is about as Myopic as it gets.

[ThrowAway]

groups I like are mrk1, deadmau5, caspa, wolfshiem(thanks to you),azam ali, kraddy, portishead, theiverycorp, edit, bassnectar

[SubFunk]

BUT please don't start making the same kinds of myopic outlandish sweeping statements that claim you not only know about every bodies cultural upbringing but also that every person fits inside one tiny little box with statements like the following

or let's put it another way...

the only excuse you can have to not ever have heard of kraftwerk is not having ANY interest nor knowledge about music at all.

There are many people who are serious guitar players who have never heard of Fernando Sor. To say that a person must have no interest in music because while they love and appreciate what Hendrix did for guitar but have no awareness of what Sor did for guitar is just sillines

point taken and i apologize!

the reason it's so hard to believe that someone does not have heard of kraftwerk at all, is because they are a real big act that have been worldwide somehow at some point appeared in any kind of media, from tv over radio to magazines and newspapers. and not just in there heydays they are still very successful and present in media all around the globe...

i am sorry, therefor it does appear that someone never heard of them must live under a rock or something...???
don't take that personally, please... it's just really, really hard to believe, that's all.

[gjm]

point taken and i apologize!

the reason it's so hard to believe that someone does not have heard of kraftwerk at all, is because they are a real big act that have been worldwide somehow at some point appeared in any kind of media, from tv over radio to magazines and newspapers. and not just in there heydays they are still very successful and present in media all around the globe...

i am sorry, therefor it does appear that someone never heard of them must live under a rock or something...???
don't take that personally, please... it's just really, really hard to believe, that's all.

There is some truth here. There is a lot of traveling to get here for bands, and if they are not totally mainstream then they offer limited shows at small venues with minimal advertising. The last time I can find that Kraftwerk were here was in November of last year. Here is a small review. Funny thing is this gig was only half an hour away from my home. I never once heard it advertised on/in any of the media I watch or read.

When I lived in Canada I discovered a whole bunch of bands and artists that I had never heard of here, and since returning have never heard of again. I really liked The Tragically Hip for instance. This is another example of a band that most people I talk to have never heard of. Of course they are not as influential on the overall music scene as KW has been, but a lot of their popularity is geographic.

I will look into Kraftwerk.

[photonal]

I forgive Kraftwerk for using Sony computers!

They inspired me, not just the great tracks like 'Neon Lights' or 'Man Machine' but their sound design was way ahead of their time.

[dinaiz]

Macs are much more expensive than PCs all hardware being equal, aren't they ?
PCs are fully customizable things, so no wonder a badly configured PC crashes. A well configured one, with good drivers, a good OS (let's say Seven), good software (let's say ableton live ) never crashes.
And when I look at the "support corner", I see way more threads started by Mac owners than PC owners !
Finally I know a bunch of people who have problems with macs, like random restarts and stuff ...

I'm not saying Macs are shit, I'm just saying that Macs are different stuff than PC, for different kind of people.

If you like your stuff working out of the box, not being able to configure your hardware and pay more, then buy a mac.
If you're slightly geeky, like to put your hands in the dirt, love to be free about your hardware and software , and don't want to pay twice the price, then a PC is for you.
Just buy what you prefer, and everybody is happy

Personally, I hate apple stuff : macs, iPods and all these things, because of their very philosophy which doesn't let you do anything and assists you all the time. Look at iTunes for instance : it can't read most formats (wma, ogg, flac, monkey audio, and so on ...),, it annoys you all the time with the iTunes store, it adds stuff to your library without telling you (until you disable it), it's not even able to work with music not properly tagged without making a mess out of your playlist, it's heavy as hell (90mg download !!) , and I could go on for hours. But it's so simple that even my grandma could use it, and it works out of the box.

If you take foobar, on PC : it supports the most obscure formats, you have tons of plugins, you can customize every single thing in the interface, it's really fast and light, and has an outstanding sound quality, but out of the box it looks like shit, and you have to know how to write a script to customize it. But at least you have a the software YOU want and it doesn't do things behind your back !

I took this example because I think it sums up the different points of view : tech-savvy and love freedom ? PC ! Not tech savvy, and want easy stuff : Mac.

Now if you're not tech-savvy and use a PC, don't complain it's crashing ! I can't remember last time mine crashed( and most importantly : I can't remember either last time ableton crashed on my PC !!!)

EDIT : and I'm not saying it's bad not to be tech-savvy at all ! Most people here are musicians, not computer engineers

[SubFunk]

point taken and i apologize!

the reason it's so hard to believe that someone does not have heard of kraftwerk at all, is because they are a real big act that have been worldwide somehow at some point appeared in any kind of media, from tv over radio to magazines and newspapers. and not just in there heydays they are still very successful and present in media all around the globe...

i am sorry, therefor it does appear that someone never heard of them must live under a rock or something...???
don't take that personally, please... it's just really, really hard to believe, that's all.

There is some truth here. There is a lot of traveling to get here for bands, and if they are not totally mainstream then they offer limited shows at small venues with minimal advertising. The last time I can find that Kraftwerk were here was in November of last year. Here is a small review. Funny thing is this gig was only half an hour away from my home. I never once heard it advertised on/in any of the media I watch or read.

When I lived in Canada I discovered a whole bunch of bands and artists that I had never heard of here, and since returning have never heard of again. I really liked The Tragically Hip for instance. This is another example of a band that most people I talk to have never heard of. Of course they are not as influential on the overall music scene as KW has been, but a lot of their popularity is geographic.

I will look into Kraftwerk.

hey, i hear you!

btw, i like the tragically hip and it's really worth to check some kraftwerk, if you then like it or not is another story.

[davepermen]

jean michel jarre,Stockhausen,Ron Grainer.

Im really not trying to argue if they influential or not. I was just stating my observation of people thinking how good they are because of when they came out and how I think its really really terrible music.

i personally think jean michel jarre is utter shit, and pointless playing around on a stupid syntesiser in a stuttery ugly-rythmical way is completely useless stuff i would expect from a 3 year old. still, i honour his influence, and think he has done great.

and personally, i think kraftwerk has some absolutely awesome tracks one could mix into todays sets and people wouldn't notice if they don't know it. unlike f.e. jean michel jarre who wouldn't "fit" into any set directly, only in some nice remixes (which exist in various forms).

so yes, i think they are really good because i think just that. not because of the situation surrounding them, and the hype of history they made. and that's where personal opinion fits so well: you can dislike it, i can like it. the influence is still there, and the liking or disliking actually independent on it.

[ThrowAway]

I personally thinks its all shit. jmj, stockhausen, krapwork etc etc

[citizenchris099]

i get it...a lot of you guys don't like Kraftwerk. So who would you consider to be one of the greatest influences on modern music (electronic or otherwise) in the past 40 years? An artist/group that had a serious and documented influence on contemporary artists/bands you currently enjoy?

[davepermen]

i get it...a lot of you guys don't like Kraftwerk. So who would you consider to be one of the greatest influences on modern music (electronic or otherwise) in the past 40 years? An artist/group that had a serious and documented influence on contemporary artists/bands you currently enjoy?

hard to say as most all of them (like f.e. daftpunk) love kraftwerk themselve, making the point sooo mood

and it's fun to hear so much nowadays wellknown patterns in kraftwerk, it sometimes sounds like any electronic subgenre is just based on another looped part of kraftwerk, and then evolved on that

i think we might have to look at early djs more for the other electronic influence. the place electronic music is nowadays is based a lot on how djs started to use and mix that kind of music.

i'm a big fan of africa islam f.e., he's amazing to listen to.