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I love improvised music. Love it. Saw Rasheed Ali in Portland a few years ago and he smoked it. None of us can hold Ornette Coleman or Miles Davis's jock strap. We can only sniff it from a distance. Put your computer down every now and then. Walk around, play some drums, kiss a girl (or boy if you wish). It'll help you in your 'non-improvised' masterpieces.

UnitedElectric wrote: None of us can hold Ornette Coleman or Miles Davis's jock strap. We can only sniff it from a distance. Put your computer down every now and then. Walk around, play some drums, kiss a girl (or boy if you wish). It'll help you in your 'non-improvised' masterpieces.

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i love improvisation....life is improv. However, most improv artists are either wanking or just regurgitating old crap. To me, 100% is 100% in the moment stream of consciousness. Most artists don't have the creative stamina for it. As someone here said, it is a language, which implies communication and something to communicate. A guy twiddling fx knobs is not communicating much at all. The Grateful Dead at their finest were most definitely communicating something (IMO), but there is a lot of crap to sift through to get to the gems.

I feel the tension between improv and structure myself. I really like structured projects, but my friends all demand my live improv stuff (using Live), even though to me its a bit wank-ish.

Random thoughts....Metallica write most of their stuff by recording studio improv jams, and editing them into completed songs. Works great for them!

Millennial steps to innovation:

1) Create a beat pattern that sounds like something already done before...but hey, you did it from scratch so that shit is FRESH!
2) Add distortion and some random glitchy effects. Hell maybe throw a wobble in there, cause we all know thats the most refreshing sound ever.
3) Congrats, you have created a brand new genre! Sure, it kinda sounds like something someone already did on a B side in the 90's, but its different than what most are doing right now so it must be innovation!

Donnie wrote: Sure, it kinda sounds like something someone already did on a B side in the 90's, but its different than what most are doing right now so it must be innovation!

Hahaha, can't tell you how many times I've experienced this! I'm pretty sure virtually every electronic genre was done by 1995 if not earlier.

Donnie wrote:Millennial steps to innovation:

1) Create a beat pattern that sounds like something already done before...but hey, you did it from scratch so that shit is FRESH!
2) Add distortion and some random glitchy effects. Hell maybe throw a wobble in there, cause we all know thats the most refreshing sound ever.
3) Congrats, you have created a brand new genre! Sure, it kinda sounds like something someone already did on a B side in the 90's, but its different than what most are doing right now so it must be innovation!

Yeah man. Canned, perfectly produced beats are the best. And who says we need to invent new genres every day? One of the most tired concepts in electronic music is the idea of 'sub-genres'. I couldn't tell you the difference between any one of the gazillions of electro styles. I simply don't care.

As I said before, a computer is an instrument. Nothing else. Some people loop or improv. Some people are studio/composition oriented. Some people make sounds that have been made before. Doesn't matter.

UnitedElectric wrote:

Donnie wrote:Millennial steps to innovation:

1) Create a beat pattern that sounds like something already done before...but hey, you did it from scratch so that shit is FRESH!
2) Add distortion and some random glitchy effects. Hell maybe throw a wobble in there, cause we all know thats the most refreshing sound ever.
3) Congrats, you have created a brand new genre! Sure, it kinda sounds like something someone already did on a B side in the 90's, but its different than what most are doing right now so it must be innovation!

Yeah man. Canned, perfectly produced beats are the best. And who says we need to invent new genres every day? One of the most tired concepts in electronic music is the idea of 'sub-genres'. I couldn't tell you the difference between any one of the gazillions of electro styles. I simply don't care.

As I said before, a computer is an instrument. Nothing else. Some people loop or improv. Some people are studio/composition oriented. Some people make sounds that have been made before. Doesn't matter.

I just tire of people spouting some "fresh new sound" when its really a rehashed sound from 15 years ago all mangled up. Hey, you want to do something just slightly off the beaten path go for it. I rehash practically everything that crosses my ears, no worries there. Just don't front like its super fresh and new because you ran it through an effects chain and moved one of the drums from here...to right over there

Donnie wrote:

UnitedElectric wrote:

Donnie wrote:Millennial steps to innovation:

1) Create a beat pattern that sounds like something already done before...but hey, you did it from scratch so that shit is FRESH!
2) Add distortion and some random glitchy effects. Hell maybe throw a wobble in there, cause we all know thats the most refreshing sound ever.
3) Congrats, you have created a brand new genre! Sure, it kinda sounds like something someone already did on a B side in the 90's, but its different than what most are doing right now so it must be innovation!

Yeah man. Canned, perfectly produced beats are the best. And who says we need to invent new genres every day? One of the most tired concepts in electronic music is the idea of 'sub-genres'. I couldn't tell you the difference between any one of the gazillions of electro styles. I simply don't care.

As I said before, a computer is an instrument. Nothing else. Some people loop or improv. Some people are studio/composition oriented. Some people make sounds that have been made before. Doesn't matter.

I just tire of people spouting some "fresh new sound" when its really a rehashed sound from 15 years ago all mangled up. Hey, you want to do something just slightly off the beaten path go for it. I rehash practically everything that crosses my ears, no worries there. Just don't front like its super fresh and new because you ran it through an effects chain and moved one of the drums from here...to right over there

that's you getting old. do you think everything you heard growing up was an original sound?

Airto Moreira is another of those pesky improvisers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ31rvJKMQ8

Damn.

Tone Deft wrote:Just don't front like its super fresh and new because you ran it through an effects chain and moved one of the drums from here...to right over there

omg pigs are flying and it's snowing in hell, obama is doing what he said he would do, and fox news is actually fair and balanced. + todays best quote belongs to Tone Deft, what's next peace on earth

starving student wrote:

Tone Deft wrote:Just don't front like its super fresh and new because you ran it through an effects chain and moved one of the drums from here...to right over there

omg pigs are flying and it's snowing in hell, obama is doing what he said he would do, and fox news is actually fair and balanced. + todays best quote belongs to Tone Deft, what's next peace on earth

now you're making up quotes to get my attention? what do you want?

oops, I should have known, well you get special credit for quoting donnie.
my mistake, never let it be said I didn't give you credit when it wasn't do

I suppose the temperature will be returning to normal in hell then....

I'll check that off the list.

I was wondering what the hell you were up to.

Tone Deft wrote: that's you getting old.

Donnie wrote:

Tone Deft wrote: that's you getting old.

cheer up! eventually you go senile and everything that's old is new again!!

I've started to pay closer attention to OLD people and I've realized that half of them are stoned out of their gourds on medications.