being accused of not being a "real DJ" with Ableton

[Trypset]

totally clobbered my attempt to quote, and on that note, I'm out. Mad respect to anyone with creative abilities used to make people dance, regardless of said title

[Kirk Degiorgio]

even when this wont be tomorow... vinyl might die eventually.. at least there is a defenitiv trend towards laptop djing.. if one likes it or not..its defenetly a practical solution.. and usually the practical solutions dominates earlier or later..

yes, it's possible - some would say inevitable. It's not particularly environmentally friendly either I think? Traktor fills the gap for those who still like to beat-match a linear type set and Ableton for sets outside the realms of the traditional. I prefer these mediums to CD-J's. The problem I had with CD-J's was the lack of a standard. At least with the Technics being a standard you could reasonably know what to expect if it was setup correctly... but when I was using CD-J's some would refuse to play certain discs and there were forever new revisions with new features and a different tactile feel to deal with each time you did a gig.

One of my fave aspects of using Ableton is how you can custom it specifically to your needs.

[3phase]

that is what seperates great DJ's from average DJ's IMO. Finding ways to be more creative than the person before or after you with the same exact tools 2 turntables and a microphone.

this actually pushes my opinion rather to side of the ableton dj´s.. with that tradition attitude dj´s never would have scratched a record. or do mixing at all...

its not so long ago that there wasnt cross faders on dj mixer at all... or pitch able turntables..

so tradition is not really an argument...

[Kirk Degiorgio]

Finding ways to be more creative than the person before or after you with the same exact tools 2 turntables and a microphone.

that sounds like turntable-ism which I'm not a huge fan of - even though Adventures On The Wheels Of Steel and the Hip Hop On Wax series really opened me up to creative DJing possibilities in the 80's.

[3phase]

It's not particularly environmentally friendly either I think?

when i look to all the computer trash that has gathered in my studio rooms over the years ..and thats only the parts that was still to valuable to throw away.. i am pretty sure that al this faster faster computer frenzy is not enviromental friendly either...

[Trypset]

well we can agree on making people dance being a good thing that will never die due to tradition

[Kirk Degiorgio]

It's not particularly environmentally friendly either I think?

when i look to all the computer trash that has gathered in my studio rooms over the years ..and thats only the parts that was still to valuable to throw away.. i am pretty sure that al this faster faster computer frenzy is not enviromental friendly either...

Ha! True.

Anyway... off to bed.

[LeifonMars]

I would have replied with "well, do real DJs do this?" and pulled out my dick and pee'd randomly all over the place.

yes. random pee solves all.

Once I had to pee into a cup held by a nurse in a drug test when I was working for a company in London. What a nightmare, couldn't do that. I mean I have no problem flashing my dick in front of crowd, but peeing into a cup held by a female person, that seemed to be too much. Oh, was this not the topic of the thread.

[3phase]

on mars a nurse is holding a cup for you too pee in? and you FLASH your penisses in public ?

8-/... strange little planet

[RonaldDumsfeld]

Kirk is too modest. He has failed to mention his landmark CD collection FX.MIX.01. Done on Ableton 2.0 in early 2003. Just the job for home listening or in the car. He's pretty handy with the vinyl as well. I went out and bought the Ashford and Simpson 'Ain't no Mountain High Enough' the day after I heard him play it at LOST. Made such an impression. DJ RingTone he ain't.

My heart still sinks whenever I see the guy get up behind the ramp and start plugging in his fucking Mac. It's not about your 'musical development' or 'pushing the edge of the envelope' or even getting some free kit off the manufacturer. I came to dance. I spent money. On me.
Vinyl is always going to be more exciting. It's the tension.

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RCUS says

Now everyone shut up and watch my video so I can win a MIDI Fighter and prove that Ableton is better than traktor! (dammit why didn't I think of that sooner for marketing...FML!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sAff5WS740

R0N says. No. Vote for this dude. He is the real future of DJing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkkjSIpI ... re=related

[SubFunk]

and prove that Ableton is better than traktor!

wow!, does it make more people dance?

i think i need to move to ableton for DJ-ing then.

[3phase]

people say that tractor sounds better .. to phrase it modest...


at least it has better suited fx.. a better browser.. and the ability run multiple desks.. on different speeds...

especially when you want to mix non rhytmical tracks over unrhytmical ones tractor just allows you to do that.. free pitch.. free transpose... as you need..

to perform the same task in ableton you will have to move warp markers first.. there is no other way to unsync one clip from the others...

Its hard for me to understand why ableton live is considered to be a dj software... because the crossfader?

I dont think that this is enough..

[SubFunk]

Its hard for me to understand why ableton live is considered to be a dj software... because the crossfader?

same here, ableton is a performance software, live performance and track manipulation a la ableton and DJ-ing are two very different things to me.

but, hey wait, it makes more people dance and go nuts on the floor.

[3phase]

Actually.. when i overthink it.. i am wrong.. Ableton live is actually rather a dj software than a real electronic music live software.. its sample based.. its not designed to synthezise anything.. or at least its totally uncomfortable in this regard.. not much under the hood there.. except the over lame looper maybe..

no interactiv sequencers.. not beat designer.. not even a simple step sequencer or clever loop modes like the ones you find in cubase since the last century... or a decend looper that loops what you have done, instead just loop what you will do... what is a very boring attempt to the item live looping device...

I dont want to say that you cant do something with live... everybody knows that that is not true.

but i just realized that it is only comfortable for certain tasks.. and for others its not..

Live is sample based .. Its about prerecorded materials to get rearranged..
just like a dj does..

While realtime sequence creation is more rudamentary implemented than on a atari cubase in 87...


so ableton live is not really a live on stage creation tool..
its a live on stage playback tool..

in the positive sense a rearranger.. a remix software..


But for the creating musican actually not the best thinkabel live companion...

its really not..

There are things i do with my 808 and my pro one since many many years that work live great that just cant be done with live.. maybe with mfl... but for what price? main features hidden away in nasty plugs? wouldnt it be better to redesign a software that just supports creation and interaction..therfore synthesis and interactive sequencing instead of featuring playback and sample styles of all kind?

Its prooven that live is useful tool on stage.. but its also prooven that it hasnt replaced the hardware gig..rather the opposite... it actually triggered a renesiance of hardware gigs...

So maybe the software that really deserves the name live still has to be designed ..and it has to be totally stable of cause and dont bothers the user with daw crap.....

[davepermen]

interesting to call live sample based, when I'm only using live devices, but no samples.. to each it's own way.