Logic Pro X

[OJ KARDASHIAN]

[Machinesworking]

Now can we resume normal programming...any more user experience with Logic X which may stop me from going back to Pro Tools? (now that I have PT on my mind) Like I said before, it is rediculous that I have 3 major DAW pgms which all need upgrading (not to mention actually learning to use them properly)

Lol! welcome to my world. I'm not upgrading. There is no punishment for not upgrading to Logic X within Y amount of time. Unlike Ableton, Logic will remain the same price to upgrade, just like MOTU does with DP. I used to be a huge fanboy and upgrade as soon as a new version came out, now I wait for a few updates to squash bugs before jumping in.

Plus, Mainstage has no MIDI tracks, which means no way to change programs without using a stompbox or a controller button etc. This through experience results in a larger chance of a glitch than timeline program change messages. Live and DP8 offer a better live performance solution for me as of now. When Mainstage allows for timeline based program change messages then Logic and Mainstage will be a viable competitor to Live for me.

[myrnova]

wow, wow, wow, machinesnotworking explaining the secrets of protools to us!
"big studios"... I'm all ears...

Mate, I don't want to disrespect you in any way, but there IS a reason most professional studios use Protools as their primary recording medium. Read the brief history of Pro Tools via the link below (it is a short read...just one page) as it describes the process which lead to the widespread industry adoption of Pro Tools.

The other reason is that because of this first reason, virtually all professional recording engineers, if they wanted to work in pro studios, had to learn to use it. Thus, it came to pass that most schools/ audio engineering training institutes taught Pro Tools. THIS is why it became ubiquitous (taught and used everywhere) and became known as 'the industry standard'. Please read and also google other links...easy!


http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/ ... ols-452963

Seems you are more naive than I thought. Pro Tools is only "a standard" because many people and many studios use it and so it is easier to work and exchange recordings among studios. It is like "windows", "photoshop", "Office" etc. Something "taken for granted" everywhere. The studios have it because of this, not because "it is the best". When they introduced it, studios had analog gear, 5 meters long mixers etc. So it was something "brand new" for digital recording. And PCs were as powerful as an iPad. That is why they needed HD TDM boards. Nowadays it is more a "tradition" than a real need. Everything can be done without protools and with native technology. Ableton Live, too, could replace ProTools. The quality in live recordings is due to convertors, not to "latency"

[earthloop]

wow, wow, wow, machinesnotworking explaining the secrets of protools to us!
"big studios"... I'm all ears...

Mate, I don't want to disrespect you in any way, but there IS a reason most professional studios use Protools as their primary recording medium. Read the brief history of Pro Tools via the link below (it is a short read...just one page) as it describes the process which lead to the widespread industry adoption of Pro Tools.

The other reason is that because of this first reason, virtually all professional recording engineers, if they wanted to work in pro studios, had to learn to use it. Thus, it came to pass that most schools/ audio engineering training institutes taught Pro Tools. THIS is why it became ubiquitous (taught and used everywhere) and became known as 'the industry standard'. Please read and also google other links...easy!


http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/ ... ols-452963

Seems you are more naive than I thought. Pro Tools is only "a standard" because many people and many studios use it and so it is easier to work and exchange recordings among studios. It is like "windows" for computers, "photoshop", etc. The studios have it because of this, not because "it is the best". When they introduced it, studios had still adat, analog gear and mixers etc. Nowadays it is more a "tradiction" than a real need. Everything can be done without protools, even with native technology.

I am not going to engage in an argument over this. I have first hand experience in this area, so I am not interested in discussing this with you.! Full Stop!

[glenn303]

Seems you are more naive than I thought. Pro Tools is only "a standard" because many people and many studios use it .

[myrnova]

"wow"... first hand experience. I guess you are the only one here, huh?

[Machinesworking]

"wow"... first hand experience. I guess you are the only one here, huh?

He's stopping because you're willfully ignorant on the subject yet have the opinion you know what is going on.
It's pretty sad really. Latency matters for all the reasons I've mentioned, you can't deny anything I've posted about it because you don't know, yet you keep on talking.

Pro Tools is still "the standard" in America? Here (Europe) the standard is Nuendo.

When proven wrong...

Pro Tools is only "a standard" because many people and many studios use it

Dense doesn't cover it.

[myrnova]

yes, of course... in your mind if someone does not own protools, cannot make records Becuase "only protools has zero latency" (not true, but ok).

[Machinesworking]

yes, of course... in your mind if someone does not own protools, cannot make records Becuase "only protools has zero latency" (not true, but ok).

No in my mind you're an egocentric, hypocritical, small minded bigot, who makes statements he cannot back up with facts.
So you tend to come up with nonsense like the post above.

Again, big name studios use Pro Tools for the simple fact it has the lowest latency available, the most dedicated large consoles, and a history of both dating back to the 90's and earlier. Pro Tools had audio recording before Cubase, Logic, Performer, Cakewalk etc. First on market, first to offer low latency etc. I have never used it on a personal level, except by proxy when recording in a studio, but I get why it is where it is.

[knotkranky]

I've noticed sometimes myrnova's grammar gets near perfect, it's almost as if it ws a different person...

Oh, and you are proud of it? Because it is an american product? Wow...
By the way, zero latency does not exist. Protools runs at about 5ms. My old Roland D50 had 7ms latency. Every current cheap audio board runs under 7-8 ms, more than enough for everything (live recordings, too). The difference in price is because of the AD/DA convertors, not because of latency.

yep

[myrnova]

yes, of course... in your mind if someone does not own protools, cannot make records Becuase "only protools has zero latency" (not true, but ok).

No in my mind you're an egocentric, hypocritical, small minded bigot, who makes statements he cannot back up with facts.
So you tend to come up with nonsense like the post above.

Again, big name studios use Pro Tools for the simple fact it has the lowest latency available, the most dedicated large consoles, and a history of both dating back to the 90's and earlier. Pro Tools had audio recording before Cubase, Logic, Performer, Cakewalk etc. First on market, first to offer low latency etc. I have never used it on a personal level, except by proxy when recording in a studio, but I get why it is where it is.

On the contrary, I have been using it "on a personal level" since 1997 (professional studios, not my bedroom). And you sound like a sort of fanboy or smth.

[knotkranky]

X is fucking awesome. It sounds really great, easy to use and nav. I haven't used Logic since 7 cuz I hated it. X appears to have borrowed from the best of everything imo. I'm really into it for just goofing around a bit for a couple days. Add a 50" touch-screen console and I could be persuaded to leave pt.

[myrnova]

X is fucking awesome. It sounds really great, easy to use and nav. I haven't used Logic since 7 cuz I hated it. X appears to have borrowed from the best of everything imo. I'm really into it for just goofing around a bit for a couple days. Add a 50" touch-screen console and I could be persuaded to leave pt.

[Machinesworking]

On the contrary, I have been using it "on a personal level" since 1997 (professional studios, not my bedroom). And you sound like a sort of fanboy or smth.

You're a european "pro" who thinks Nuendo is the "standard", then relents that Pro Tools is, and claims to be a long time user... yeah right.

[myrnova]

On the contrary, I have been using it "on a personal level" since 1997 (professional studios, not my bedroom). And you sound like a sort of fanboy or smth.

You're a european "pro" who thinks Nuendo is the "standard", then relents that Pro Tools is, and claims to be a long time user... yeah right.

Nuendo, Sequoia, whatever. They do the same work as your beloved Protools. The quality is not because of the "latency" ( ), but because of the AD/DA convertors. Regarding the "standard" i already explained why protools is considered "a standard". It is like photoshop, acrobat, microsoft office, etc. It is "taken for granted" and studios are "conservative" (musicians asking for "protools" because they heard "it's the best" and crap like this ). Years ago it was useful because of the possibility to exchange and share recordings among studios and musicians. Not nowadays. Everything is "top quality", does not matter the software you use. Regarding the hardware, Protools does not make convertors... Ask Apogee or similar