!!!Live 6!!!

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:54 pm

noisetonepause wrote:I don't think Live should be made into two different versions, make it more configurable (within reason) but don't make two apps. I want to use the same app everywhere.

yes, having your head in the same workspace whatever and whenever.

Sasha says this in his video.

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:55 pm

yes its called "cakewalk sonar" now

Soundblaster · Post by **Soundblaster** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:29 am

hm...can we expect Live 64-bit soon....?

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:49 pm

Machinate wrote:
radeon wrote:Ableton should learn from Sonar people. They start building softwares at same time but look how far sonar becomings compare to live. Is this the programmers being better at Sonar?
I'm sorry, but wasn't "Sonar" known as "Cakewalk" before that? IIRC it's a very old program...

Yes but with sonar came it was complete new program audio engine code. but so sonar 5 feature is long road forward than live to be lets all face it live is not so new software today and its stll not haveing proper solo functions like safe solo this is only one thing

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:02 pm

radeon wrote:
Machinate wrote:
radeon wrote:Ableton should learn from Sonar people. They start building softwares at same time but look how far sonar becomings compare to live. Is this the programmers being better at Sonar?
I'm sorry, but wasn't "Sonar" known as "Cakewalk" before that? IIRC it's a very old program...
Yes but with sonar came it was complete new program audio engine code. but so sonar 5 feature is long road forward than live to be lets all face it live is not so new software today and its stll not haveing proper solo functions like safe solo this is only one thing

Is sonar more of a cubase alternative than a live alternative?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:09 pm

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:16 pm

radeon wrote:
nuperspective wrote: or are we going to see live split. live performance software package and daw software package. ableton need to ask themselves who they are and who they want to be in the marketplace. ultimately, who their customers are.
yes it is good idea for ableton to make a live performing version and studio version. It is probably not in the business idea of ableton snd before I agree with them to this but not now. Its should be called
Live Performer
Live Premier

Or somethings like thhis. Live premier is for studio use and to have arranging things that performers not haveing.

OK I would take this in a totally different direction, and one that makes sense to me. There should be a streamlined version for people who need less features, and love the simpleness of Live, and a fat version for those of us that want it all in one sequencer.
Basically Live's biggest problem right now seems to be that some of us want advanced features like film scoring capabilities and advanced MID, better key commands, an advanced arrangement, and other features that some would think of all that as being too much. This is more like the difference between SX3 and Nuendo in my mind, than the difference between Logic Express and Logic Pro.

wilxon · Post by **wilxon** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:28 pm

Machinesworking wrote:OK I would take this in a totally different direction, and one that makes sense to me. There should be a streamlined version for people who need less features, and love the simpleness of Live, and a fat version for those of us that want it all in one sequencer.
Basically Live's biggest problem right now seems to be that some of us want advanced features like film scoring capabilities and advanced MID, better key commands, an advanced arrangement, and other features that some would think of all that as being too much. This is more like the difference between SX3 and Nuendo in my mind, than the difference between Logic Express and Logic Pro.

Or the difference between SL and SX, SE and SL etc.

the point is, steinberg have done this on many levels, so you can get what suites you best.

or have Live DJ, with extra dj focused elements, Live Film, for AV editing, Live SX for composing.

Im quite sure this will be the case one day, when Ableton reaches the size of steinberg, adobe, or Native Instruments. until then, in a couple of years time i think we will be seeing Live full stop.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:44 pm

wilxon wrote:Or the difference between SL and SX, SE and SL etc.

the point is, steinberg have done this on many levels, so you can get what suites you best.

or have Live DJ, with extra dj focused elements, Live Film, for AV editing, Live SX for composing.

The difference would be that
A: Live simple wouldn'r leave out any big features that almost force you to get Live complex, like Cubase and Logic do currently, more like how Nuendo and SX3 relate to each other. Nuendo merely adds film scoring options, rather than scoring features you can't live without.

I use Live as a performance tool and as a composing tool, so I would want both features. I just come from a stand point of features over users friendly, I would gladly sacrifice user friendly for features I need, and right now. because of the limitations of the MIDI composing in Live, I do, but what I'm proposing is a version with complex control over the DAW, and a more intuitive version.

nuperspective · Post by **nuperspective** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:08 pm

i didnt mean a literal spilt of the package. like logic and cubase have done. these are just way of getting people on board so they upgrade later.

what i did mean was on boot up instead of jumping to the full version of live you can select performance or studio. this would change internal parameters and devote more resources to the areas you need depending on the job you need to do. therefore removing some of the bloat.

Spacerboy · Post by **Spacerboy** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:19 pm

Live Sex?

Is this the right forum???

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:48 pm

Live needs to become fully modular. So that you can have layouts as presets.

For example, you could make a Live 3 preset that will look and sound exactly like Live 3. Bugs/features in the effects included.

Routing cables or some revolutionary GUI for modularity is the key.
If they add that, Conny will blow up Scandinavia with his crazy experiments

Maybe we should all huddle together. Get some of the users around here that like to do mock-ups. And discuss till we all agree.

Figuring we all use Live in different ways and the fact that we all want different things.........
Why the hell can't we have a 20 page discussion on that?

I'll try to come up with an opening thread this weekend. Because first i need to gather some thoughts and study some threads.
All getting together to discus a subject like this, will open up the path to some very sick features.
Custom GUI is the main issue when it comes to modularity in Live imo.
It would take a while to make Live (or a config app or something) like that.
But it would take a second to make a layout like traktor dj...
2 clipviews... some effects... crossfader..
click click save
play.....

This is the simplified version of this feature suggestion ( suggestion = compilation of feature requests

)

Anyway. Some food for thought.
Live needs to be way more complex.

But one simple layout can satisfy a thousand n00bs.

conny · Post by **conny** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:27 pm

hoffman2k wrote:Live needs to become fully modular. So that you can have layouts as presets

...

Routing cables or some revolutionary GUI for modularity is the key.
If they add that, Conny will blow up Scandinavia with his crazy experiments

Those were the days. I've become 48 and maybe it's time to turn to the garden instead.
And Scandinavia is to big parts made of very old solid granite (Denmark excluded...) that will take some time to get the cables and connections around and under it.

But yes, modular. My dream is a kind of Live + Bidule + scripting/macros/controller clips and tracks.

// C

docbot · Post by **docbot** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:32 am

I really don't understand all this talk about Live becoming too bloated.

I am really hoping for some new features in the midi department. I want to see saveable drum maps, better groove and midi editing features and step secquencer style parameter editing. I can't see how that would make Live bloated, you don't have to use those features if you don't want do. Live doesn't need to stay a simple loop based tool just because some user only want do use it for that (which it didn't). The only thing that would maybe be a bit too much too soon would be adding video editing.

Again adding a few new effects and instruments in the side bar and having a few more symbols for new features in the sequencing window doesn't make Live bloated. Live is a nice tool for people who do electronic music and even if they add features Lives simplicity nature doesn't get lost. I don't see why electronic musicians should have to use cubase when it comes to pro features.

radeon · Post by **radeon** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:48 am

hoffman2k wrote:
Figuring we all use Live in different ways and the fact that we all want different things.........
Why the hell can't we have a 20 page discussion on that?

I'll try to come up with an opening thread this weekend. Because first i need to gather some thoughts and study some threads.

OK this would be an good idea