THE BEST DJ'S?

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froggzy
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Post by froggzy » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:19 pm

waow... heavy stuff guys.. take a break, have a tea, choc or spliff....

take a deep breath and mercy the world, ableton, native and other propellerheads for all the equipment and versatility we have to have FUN!!

the best DJ in the world is me, and no other.. :twisted:

i love what i do and i do it good :twisted:

see you there, on the other side, the bright side of things...

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Post by M. Bréqs » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:49 pm

robtronik wrote:I promote and DJ. Its the best way to have quality control on the night. You know what you want and you can design it that way.

I'll say this about DJs: You may slag on whether a DJ is talented, but I can surely tell you when one ISN'T.

And the fact that you can tell a bad DJ from a good DJ means that, by default, there is a skill that is needed to do the job right.

I think what Breq's is stating is that a dj skill or dj talent is easily acquired in his mind which is then equal to it not requiring much talent at all. In his mind its a lower level effort to learn the art of mixing and music programming than it is learning an instrument.

I think these are two different ideas that he's combined into one and they deserve seperation. Its quite apparent when a DJ who has no talent gets on the decks/laptop/whatever and ruins a room's vibe, clears a dancefloor, or gets kicked off vs. the DJ who can manipulate the emotions and vibe of a room through music successfully.

rob.
OK, point conceded to you Rob. I rescind my previous statements to say that rather than mix DJs having no talent, I'll say instead that the bar for talent is very easy to achieve in mix DJing.

Now, that said; If it takes little effort and little skill to achieve the bar for talent, then why do many non-producer DJs and non-turntablist DJs get worshiped like Gods?

I say it's Hype. Too many people equate Hype with talent.

When a DJ has Hype, people come to his / her show predisposed to having a good time. They spend more, they anticipate a better show. Many drug themselves in anticipation.

So the Hyped up DJ comes on, and he could play a minidisk of his neighbour's son's bedroom mix and fake playing records. The crowd goes wild.

Unrealistic? not at all. It's Hype. The neighbour's kid could play the same set to the same crowd and not get any reaction (if people showed up at all).

Is this stage presence? It's a factor, but not the only one. But I think Hype is a much bigger factor, since I know a lot of obscure performers with gobs of stage presence but no Hype, and I can think of many "pro" mix DJs who lack stage presence.

On top of the anticipation of the Hyped DJ, he / she gets promo and white label records sent to him / her. That's an immense advantage, being able to drop unheard tracks long before the bedroom kids do. Should this advantage be interpreted as talent? No, it's a byproduct of Hype. The more Hype a DJ has, the more likely producers / labels will send this person white labels.

What sickens me is an industry that values Hype over talent. It doesn't matter if you're an amazing turntablist or a musician; you won't get the recognition or respect that a performer of one quarter of your talent gets if you don't have Hype.

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Post by robtronik » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:00 pm

okay - this makes me chuckle too.

Welcome to the music industry.

:)

rob.

p.s. I agree with you on this btw. The most successful people are amazing at marketing and self hype. But again, the hype - while being worthwhile to criticize on some level - is still not tied directly to the talent question. That's really about whether a crowd is pre-disposed to liking him or her before they go on and play.

And anyone that has spent enough time building his/her marketing up in their favor for gigs has also probably spent the time becoming a decent to good DJ.

It gets even more muddy when that said DJ is also a producer playing a lot of their music in their sets. Then what? Slag them for their lack of talent because they are playing their music back to a crowd as a DJ?

Its just a slippery slope that I can't really understand the need to get uber hyper critical about the function of a DJ and how much artistry is involved.

personally I feel more accomplished as an artist just DJ'ing now that I use Live. I go through about 40 or 50 tracks every 90 to 100 minutes now - and I still strive to make sound like a cohesive whole to the listener/dancer - and I don't find that easy to pull off so it doesn't sound like some cheesy megamix or something. So, again, I think the line is blurred sufficiently today to make the question moot, IMO.

whew, that was a long P.S. :)
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Post by hambone1 » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:03 pm

Why should marketing and hype vs the most talented DJ/most successful musician/best sports shoe/best soft drink/etc be exclusive to DJs? Since when has hype been the same as the best?

Look around you. It's everywhere. It always has been. It's a fact of life. IMO, get over it and move on, maybe directing bitterness, nastiness and hostility to someone who really deserves it.

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