[ot] CONFRONTING THE EVIDENCE

[subterFUSE]

Why did everything turn to dust?

Does an entire building (concrete, steel, machines, furniture, equipment, etc) turn to dust?

Where are the images of the plane that hit the Pentagon? Where is the wreckage? Where is all of the debris? Where is the twisted metal?

Why did the third building collapse? What was in the third building?

Why was there a terrorist

drill on that day?

Why, after all of our military spending, did the military do nothing?

Maybe you should talk to my Dad's law partner, who watched the plane crash into the Pentagon? He saw it with his own eyes. Was driving on 395 in Crystal City, heading to work downtown.

[psilopsyche]

Why did everything turn to dust?

Does an entire building (concrete, steel, machines, furniture, equipment, etc) turn to dust?

Where are the images of the plane that hit the Pentagon? Where is the wreckage? Where is all of the debris? Where is the twisted metal?

Why did the third building collapse? What was in the third building?

Why was there a terrorist

drill on that day?

Why, after all of our military spending, did the military do nothing?

Maybe you should talk to my Dad's law partner, who watched the plane crash into the Pentagon? He saw it with his own eyes. Was driving on 395 in Crystal City, heading to work downtown.

Are you writing this under the premise that 9/11 was not an inside job?

[subterFUSE]

Why did everything turn to dust?

Does an entire building (concrete, steel, machines, furniture, equipment, etc) turn to dust?

Where are the images of the plane that hit the Pentagon? Where is the wreckage? Where is all of the debris? Where is the twisted metal?

Why did the third building collapse? What was in the third building?

Why was there a terrorist

drill on that day?

Why, after all of our military spending, did the military do nothing?

Maybe you should talk to my Dad's law partner, who watched the plane crash into the Pentagon? He saw it with his own eyes. Was driving on 395 in Crystal City, heading to work downtown.

Are you writing this under the premise that 9/11 was not an inside job?

I said what I just said because it is true. A coworker of my father watched the plane hit the Pentagon. I posted that in response to your questioning of photographic evidence of said incident.

[psilopsyche]

Maybe you should talk to my Dad's law partner, who watched the plane crash into the Pentagon? He saw it with his own eyes. Was driving on 395 in Crystal City, heading to work downtown.

Are you writing this under the premise that 9/11 was not an inside job?

I said what I just said because it is true. A coworker of my father watched the plane hit the Pentagon. I posted that in response to your questioning of photographic evidence of said incident.

I won't argue with you. I don't agree with you, but I did want to know if you believed that this truly was or was not an act of U.S. terrorism waged in an effort to get us into the middle east.

Peace.

[pilcrow]

Are you writing this under the premise that 9/11 was not an inside job?

I said what I just said because it is true. A coworker of my father watched the plane hit the Pentagon. I posted that in response to your questioning of photographic evidence of said incident.

I won't argue with you. I don't agree with you, but I did want to know if you believed that this truly was or was not an act of U.S. terrorism waged in an effort to get us into the middle east.

Peace.

I'll take this one. Not.

[Nod]

Why did everything turn to dust? Does an entire building (concrete, steel, machines, furniture, equipment, etc) turn to dust?

It didn't. Look at the photo's again.

Where are the images of the plane that hit the Pentagon? Where is the wreckage? Where is all of the debris? Where is the twisted metal?

The debris was there. What they've done with the footage is anybody's guess.

Why did the third building collapse? What was in the third building?

http://www.wtc7.net/background.html

Why was there a terrorist drill on that day?

Deep breath...

Probably because the government had recieved literally dozens of warnings as to a potential attack. The most notable of which is the Presidential Daily Briefing delivered on August 6th 2001 titled: "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside United States". Incredibly, the New York Times later reports that Bush “breaks off from work early and spends most of the day fishing.” In other news on August 25th 2001 Bin Laden, according to ABC News, “When asked about his supporters, he says with a significant and knowing smile there is going to be a surprise to the United States.” during an interview.

In fact Mohammed Atta was based on the same street (Sheridan St. Hollywood, Florida) as a Mossad watch squad. Incidentally the same kind of watch squad who were later arrested for filming & celebrating in front of the burning towers. As was reported in Der Spiegel Mossad provided a list of potential terrorists, which included 4 of the 9/11 hijackers, to the US admin & CIA on August 23rd 2001. They were Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. The warning list was not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and the information was not passed on.

Mohammed Atta was later found to have recieved $100K from Saeed Shiekh, the paymaster of 9/11, Pakistani ISI operative & the man charged with the murder of US journalist Daniel Pearl. Daniel Pearl was investigating links between Al-Queda, it's affiliates and the Pakistani ISI intelligence service.

Why, after all of our military spending, did the military do nothing?

Because Cheney told them to. As per Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission stated they watched the third plane head into Washington on radar from the PEOC bunker. As the plane approached Cheney was asked by a junior "if the orders stood" whereupon Cheney sharply admonished the junior officer for asking. Hence you can assume that the Pentagon, the US militaries main building, is apparently guarded by nothing more than a freeway, some lawn and a curiously reticent Vice President.

Lots of things are popping over the radar right now. Especially as regards the Pakistani leader, Musharraf, and his remarkable ISI intelligence service. Whilst meeting various world leaders such as Bush, Blair and Hamid Karzai (a UNOCAL stooge the US put in charge of Afghanistan to expedite a certain pipeline) Musharraf revealed that he thinks Bin Laden is hiding out with his old heroin trading warlord buddy, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, in Kunar Province, Afghanistan.

Hekmatyar was the receipient of approx half of all weapons the CIA shipped there back in the '80's. Developed close ties with Bin Laden when the latter stayed in Peshawar - where he fronted MAK (Maktab al-Khidamar) which funnelled money, arms, and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war. MAK, originally ran by Sheikh Abdullah Azzam (Bin Laden's mentor), was nurtured again by Pakistan’s ISI and was the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation. Hekmatyar has also been called “an ISI stooge and creation'.

Saeed Sheikh, again the paymaster of 9/11, had logistical and operational support from the ISI in Karachi and Islamabad. ISI also helped him form and operate the Jaish-e-Muhammed—Muhammed's Army—for his terrorist campaigns in Kashmir when he wasn't being seen frequently partying with Pakistani government leaders whilst wanted by the US. He worked with Ijaz Shah, a former ISI official in charge of handling two militant groups; Lt. Gen. Mohammed Aziz Khan, former deputy chief of the ISI in charge of relations with Jaish-e-Mohammed; and Brigadier Abdullah, a former ISI officer and was also well known to other senior ISI officers. He regularly travelled to Afghanistan and helped train new al-Qaeda recruits in ISI training camps there. Upon his eventual arrest for the kidnap and murder of the reporter Daniel Pearl Musharraf called for his trial to be held in secret pending a summary execution. He has now retracted that opinion and is blaming Khalid Sheik Mohammed, overall mastermind of 9/11 and another likely ISI agent, for that murder.

The really interesting dude however is the former head of the Pakistani ISI, one Mahmood Ahmed. He was the guy, un-named in ANY one of the numerous recent reports I might add, who met Richard Armitage in Washington after the attacks and was told that unless Pakistan started playing ball "they should prepare themselve to live in the stone age". American & Indian intelligence cite Mahmood Ahmed as the man who ordered Saeed Sheikh to wire Mohammed Atta the $100K.

Much of this post, apologies for it's length. has been paraphrased or gleaned from: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/proj ... 11_project
and is now featured in 9/11 Press For Truth: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... +For+Truth

[subterFUSE]

Are you writing this under the premise that 9/11 was not an inside job?

I said what I just said because it is true. A coworker of my father watched the plane hit the Pentagon. I posted that in response to your questioning of photographic evidence of said incident.

I won't argue with you. I don't agree with you, but I did want to know if you believed that this truly was or was not an act of U.S. terrorism waged in an effort to get us into the middle east.

Peace.

I believe it was an act of terrorism against the United States. I do not believe it was a government conspiracy, as many here seem to think.

[glu]

why can't it be both?

[dj superflat]

what's funny about the conspiracy theory is that, before 9/11, the bush administration had little reason to go messing about in the middle east, bush had little inclination to be a foreign policy president. so the notion that they set 9/11 in motion, killing thousands of their own citizens, just so they could go on a rampage in the middle east is kinda silly. (just about as dumb as thinking guys like cheney and rumsfeld, who are worth in the tens of millions, are doing something for money they don't need.)

[Nod]

what's funny about the conspiracy theory is that, before 9/11, the bush administration had little reason to go messing about in the middle east,

Funny then that barely 5 hours after the attack Dumsfeld should ask the intelligence services for anything, absolutely anything, linking Saddam Hussein to 9/11 after DOZEN's of warnings, including specifics, from Al-Quaeda, Mossad, French, German, Indonesia, Indian and British Intelligence.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/ ... 0830.shtml

This is the same Dumsfeld who, back in the 70's in the Ford Admin, made a bunch of laughable shit up as regards Russki weapons systems in order to shore up his friends Military Industrial Complex Trust Fund. Dumsfeld is a key member of PNAC, the fascist suppository currently running the Bush Admin which was founded by Cheney under the auspices of William Kristol. Just a shortlist of it's members include the likes of Paul Wolfowitz (who drew up plans for war before the Admin was even 'elected'), Richard Perle (a 'former' Israeli mole), Douglas Feith (the Zionist lunatic who wrote all those speeches connecting Iraq and Al-Quaeda for Cheney), Zalmay Khalizad (UNOCAL stooge), Scooter Libby (lying stoat) & other creatures such as Jeb Bush (future presidential stooge).

PNAC's fundamental propositions are: American leadership is good both for America and for the world & such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle. Their infamous 'Rebuilding America's Defenses' document refers to the possibility of a "catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor". Very similar to the false flag terrorist attacks, Operation Northwoods, as suggested by Gen Lemnitzer against the Cubans during the JFK tenure. Such false flag op's are a specialisation of the US - ever heard of the Gulf Of Tonkin Incident that started the Vietnam War?

bush had little inclination to be a foreign policy president. so the notion that they set 9/11 in motion, killing thousands of their own citizens, just so they could go on a rampage in the middle east is kinda silly.

Bush doesn't have anything to do with anything other than his role as a flesh puppet that presented acceptable verbiage, which the rest of world laughed at/disagreed with, to a calculated majority of the American population which I'm glad to say is steadily decreasing. Bush Snr referred to the PNAC boys as 'the crazies in the cellar' and managed to successfully keep them away from any form of power whilst he funnelled arms to terrorists like Bin Laden via the Pakistani ISI (see my previous post). However young George was made of weaker stuff and promptly hopped into bed, to expedite his presidential ambitions, with PNAC and it's affliated nutters.

(just about as dumb as thinking guys like cheney and rumsfeld, who are worth in the tens of millions, are doing something for money they don't need.)

Who exactly do you assume they work for Superflat? The US populace? You play ball or your brains get blown over somewhere like Dealey Plaza

[dj superflat]

yeah, you really increase your credibility when you tie this back to JFK. whenever i read this stuff, reminds of the scene in 7 where pitt asks spacey "do you realize how crazy you are? do you just sit around in your own drool, etc., thinking 'man, i'm really crazy'"? i get it thought, life seems much more interesting/exciting when there's the man to fight/rail against, conspiracies afoot, it's not just generic human incompetency/stupidity mixed up with some bad luck, standard gov't disfunctionality, etc. helps many distract themselves from squalid or otherwise uninteresting/dissatisfying existence. coming full circle, it's helps explain the appeal of wackjob ideoligies, whether religious like jim jones/wacco or racist like radicalislam/arryan nation, etc. (yes, this is just another way of saying those who aren't getting their's from the system have reason to complain, those who are getting their's have no reason to complain.)

and the person who wrote about cheney ordering them to just let the plane go, go listen to the actual tapes of what happened on 9/11 in the vanity fair article. it was all over before anyone in the chain of command had a chance to really do anything (yes, i know, they doctored the tapes, etc.).

[Nod]

yeah, you really increase your credibility when you tie this back to JFK.

Hehe - you do know that Bush Snr employed E.Howard Hunt and Ruby worked for Nixon dontcha? The only two parties in America who COULD NOT REMEMBER where they were on November 22, 1963. Not that it really matters if you find ignorance credible.

whenever i read this stuff, reminds of the scene in 7 where pitt asks spacey "do you realize how crazy you are? do you just sit around in your own drool, etc., thinking 'man, i'm really crazy'"? i get it thought, life seems much more interesting/exciting when there's the man to fight/rail against, conspiracies afoot, it's not just generic human incompetency/stupidity mixed up with some bad luck, standard gov't disfunctionality, etc. helps many distract themselves from squalid or otherwise uninteresting/dissatisfying existence. coming full circle, it's helps explain the appeal of wackjob ideoligies, whether religious like jim jones/wacco or racist like radicalislam/arryan nation, etc. (yes, this is just another way of saying those who aren't getting their's from the system have reason to complain, those who are getting their's have no reason to complain.) and the person who wrote about cheney ordering them to just let the plane go, go listen to the actual tapes of what happened on 9/11 in the vanity fair article. it was all over before anyone in the chain of command had a chance to really do anything (yes, i know, they doctored the tapes, etc.).

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/h ... -05-23.htm

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --

MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

MR. HAMILTON: The Pentagon, yeah.

MR. MINETA: And so I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in listening to the conversation between the young man and the vice president, then at the time I didn't really recognize the significance of that. And then later I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes away. And so then, at the time we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then I thought, "Oh, my God, did we shoot it down?" And then we had to, with the vice president, go through the Pentagon to check that out.

MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that plane down.

MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.

Hence 2 queries can be drawn from the conversation:

1.Did Cheney order a shoot down? Something which he's repeatedly evaded over & over and which could well relate to Flight 93 and the engine part that was found 8 MILES from the crash site in Pennsylvania.

2. Washington/Pentagon/White House has no air defenses. All the more amazing to discover that, when on holiday and at the G8 less than a month before, ground to air missiles and antiair batteries were installed at both. In fact Bush stayed on a friggin boat the threat level was so high! How come they listened to the warnings then but forgot them inside of a month?

[pilcrow]

I think a close viewing of the Zapruder film will reveal some interesting connections. And let's not forget this interesting factoid: The exact time of day those fatal shots rang out in Dealy Plaza: 9:11 AM. YOU put the pieces together; I'm not saying any more.

[Nod]

I think a close viewing of the Zapruder film will reveal some interesting connections.

Yeah he was shot in the front right side of the head which 56 witnesses later testified was a gunshot from the Grassy Knoll. Back & to the left <rip Bill Hicks>

And let's not forget this interesting factoid: The exact time of day those fatal shots rang out in Dealy Plaza: 9:11 AM. YOU put the pieces together; I'm not saying any more.

And there was me thinking it was 12.30 CST...but any 'factoid' that wakes 'em up eh?

[pilcrow]

I think a close viewing of the Zapruder film will reveal some interesting connections.

Yeah he was shot in the front right side of the head which 56 witnesses later testified was a gunshot from the Grassy Knoll. Back & to the left <rip Bill Hicks>

And let's not forget this interesting factoid: The exact time of day those fatal shots rang out in Dealy Plaza: 9:11 AM. YOU put the pieces together; I'm not saying any more.

And there was me thinking it was 12.30 CST...but any 'factoid' that wakes 'em up eh?

That 12:30 CST figure was the "official" time released by, who else, the GOVERNMENT. Any number of witnesses on the scene put the moment of the first shot at precisely 9:11.
Oop. I said I wasn't going to say any more. This time I mean it.